Rob Ford's Toronto

[CowboyLogic]

Somehow I doubt insomnia had anything to do with your reasons for doing your snooping.

CowboyLogic was posting in a way that smelled fishy to some posters on here and was called out for it. I have to be honest, my hunch is that both you and evvabeing also have more to do with the Rob Ford story than simply being bystanders. Both of you are new to the forum and EVERY SINGLE POST that either of you has made has been in THIS THREAD ONLY, conveniently placing little tidbits and links out there to lead people the way you want them to go.

Axes to grind, members of the media, connected to someone at city hall... now sure which, but my spidey senses are tingling.

OK, yeah, I admit it. You got me. I'm a paid operative of Mayor Ford.

I'm posting here because, as has been mentioned, my posts on Urban Toronto are of utmost importance in swaying public opinion in Toronto and are delaying the release of the crack video somehow. I'm not sure how this works exactly, but I have it on good authority from Robby that every time I post here, the release of the crack video is delayed by a couple weeks. This is why I started posting at the same time the crack video scandal happened - it couldn't be a coincidence or because of the extra attention this forum got, obviously.

Also, have you noticed that since I started posting here, Ford's approval rating has climbed 5 points? Connect the dots. I've been leading people the way I want them to go, obviously.

The reason I didn't post for a couple of weeks is because I was suspended for saying that I think there is a video and Ford actually smokes crack. It definitely wasn't because I was busy and without Internet access for a couple weeks. Definitely not that.

 

[evvabeing]

Somehow I doubt insomnia had anything to do with your reasons for doing your snooping.

CowboyLogic was posting in a way that smelled fishy to some posters on here and was called out for it. I have to be honest, my hunch is that both you and evvabeing also have more to do with the Rob Ford story than simply being bystanders. Both of you are new to the forum and EVERY SINGLE POST that either of you has made has been in THIS THREAD ONLY, conveniently placing little tidbits and links out there to lead people the way you want them to go.

Axes to grind, members of the media, connected to someone at city hall... now sure which, but my spidey senses are tingling.

hate to say it, but your spidey senses suck.

i've been over here the whole time... http://www.fordcracknation.ca/forum.php

i had been reading this forum for time to time (when it would some up in a search) but the other day i decide to catch up on all the rob scandal reading and join so i could comment... after all i've been studying this since the crack story broke. i know quite a bit about it... as do many here. i thought... finally a place where people will debate things... since crack nation seems to be more of a repository.

 

[ttk77]

If I was still running my blog, Marko would be bang-on. But those days for me are over. Having said that, I can see how I come off still as being that guy. What I'm saying is that his instincts are sound.

Not just you, but also those accusing Cowboylogic. I don't find the back-and-forth about gross vs. net budget particularly interesting and I don't agree with his/her viewpoints on Ford but at least he/she is able to have an argument that consists of more than vomiting Ford Nation talking points.

 

[Marko]

OK, yeah, I admit it. You got me. I'm a paid operative of Mayor Ford.

I wasn't actually questioning you. I brought up the fact that others had, as a segue into my doing it to Adaax and evvabeing.

That said, I'm not pointing an accusing finger as ttk77 is suggesting - saying they're paid operatives or anything like was said about you. I'm just saying that it seems to me there is something more to these two posters - which has already been confirmed by one of them:

If I was still running my blog, Marko would be bang-on. But those days for me are over. Having said that, I can see how I come off still as being that guy. What I'm saying is that his instincts are sound.

hate to say it, but your spidey senses suck.

I refer you to the quoted post above, and the link you provided basically confirms you're someone with an axe to grind. How was I wrong?

 

[evvabeing]

here's an example of what i've been wondering about on crack nation...

and let's not forget, just in case... kojo and a 32 yr old male were shot on april 25th...

"Mayor Rob Ford admits it’s the kind of news he lies awake at night fearing about hearing.

[...]

“Someone called (quick aside... why would someone call to tell the mayor about a former football player? i don't think my high school teachers and such would be called upon my death. and not only that, look at how that call went...

"It was a phone call that stunned Toronto Mayor Rob Ford.

“Did you hear what happened to Kojo?” the caller asked.

He hadn’t. "

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...s_of_slain_kwado_mensah_i_love_you_kiddo.html)

right, so...

“Someone called to tell me Kojo Mensah was shot and I just said ‘I can’t believe it,” he said. “He was one of my kids. It just kills me.”

Kwado “Kojo” Mensah, 20, was gunned down in Malvern (one more quick aside, i love how for kojo they say malvern, but for Surenthira Vaithilingam, who was killed in the same neighbourhood on may 29th, it's just listed as scarborough...

"Surendra Vaithilingam was shot to death in the backyard of his Scarborough home on May 29.

[...]

Toronto police Det.-Sgt. Justin Vander Heyden said Saturday that there is nothing obvious in Vaithilingam’s past that would explain the shooting.

However, he added that police do not believe this was a case of mistaken identity or a break-and-enter gone wrong."

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...se_photos_of_scarborough_shooting_victim.html)

back to...

Kwado “Kojo” Mensah, 20, was gunned down in Malvern Thursday night at the Grace Hartman Housing Co-op on Forest Creek Pathway, near Morningside and Old Finch Aves. and Toronto Police are working on the case.

He was more than a shooting victim to Ford and others who knew him during his several years on the squad of the Don Bosco Eagles."

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/27/ex-player-on-rob-fords-football-team-killed-in-malvern

plus... look at how "easily" they "connected" these...

"Police said Saturday they also believe a man who went to the emergency room late Thursday to be treated for non-life-threatening gunshot wounds is connected to the fatal shooting.

The 32-year-old man arrived at hospital with a gunshot wound to his lower body and said he had been shot earlier in the evening in Scarborough."

http://www.cp24.com/news/police-identify-victim-of-fatal-scarborough-shooting-1.1257154

yet they claim they "don't speculate"...

"Toronto Police Department spokesperson Mark Pugash confirmed to Gawker that on that evening, at approximately 11 p.m., officers responded to an "assault in progress" at 15 Windsor Rd. "A male forced his way into the house and assaulted two people with a weapon," Pugash said. "The suspect fled on foot, and two victims were taken to the hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. No arrests have been made, and the investigation continues." Asked if the department believed the assault to be connected to Mayor Rob Ford, Pugash replied: "We don't speculate.""

http://gawker.com/a-pipe-wielding-thug-stormed-the-rob-ford-crackhouse-s-511642073

but then again...

"Police told CBC News that they have "no information that the suspect was looking for a video," as some news outlets have alleged, but did say he was specifically looking for one of the victims. When officers arrived to investigate, there was "not much" co-operation from residents of the home, police said."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/06/06/toronto-rob-ford-house-photo.html

 

[evvabeing]

and then there's this...

Ibrahim Ahmed, 35, was last seen on Monday, April 29, 2013, at noon, in the Bergamont Road area. [i've heard that might be a typo, that it should say bergamot rd.]

Police are concerned for his safety.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/release.php?id=26510

missing since april 29th, but police statement about him missing and being concerned for his safety only issued on may 17th...

"May 17: At City Hall, the Star reports (firming up an earlier report from the Globe and filled in later with more details by another Globe report), Ford’s chief of staff Mark Towhey convened a huddle to discuss the explosive story. He dispatched Dave Price to Ford’s home to help him out. Some time later, he was distressed to hear that Price instead went to the home of Ford’s mother, where the family often meets. According to the Star, Price told Towhey “not to worry.” Later, Rob Ford emerged from his own house, told reporters the allegations of a crack video are “ridiculous,” and then drove a few feet before stopping to talk to Price, who was now standing at the side of the street. Ford drove to the gas station at the end of the street, where Price again stepped forward to get between reporters and the mayor.

According to later reports in the Star, Ford sat around a table in his office with Price, deputy chief of staff Earl Provost, press secretary George Christopoulos and others (but not Mark Towhey or Isaac Ransom, they report), and told them “not to worry about a video appearing to show him smoking crack cocaine because he knew where it was, sources told the Star. Ford then blurted out the address of two 17th-floor units—1701 and 1703—at a Dixon Rd. apartment complex, to the shock of staffers at a city hall meeting. .. The mayor cited ‘our contacts’ as the source of his information,” according to the Star report.

[...]

Later that day, according to the Star and the Globe, Price approached Towhey in the presence of two other senior staffers and asked “hypothetically” what they should do if they’d been tipped off to the location of the video. Towhey said in that case they should go to the police. Price asked, what if the original owner of the video had been shot for it? He said he had information claiming that’s what happened to Anthony Smith. Towhey reportedly instructed Price not to seek out the video and said that he would be calling the police. Price gave Towhey the address and apartment number on Dixon Road where he’d been told the video was being stored.

A nation-wide arrest warrant is issued for Hanad Mohamed in connection with the murder of Anthony Smith, according to a later report in the Globe and Mail."

http://www.thegridto.com/blog-post/the-emerging-ford-drama-in-chronological-order/

and now... he's not mentioned on TPS at all. no listing of him being located, and nothing about him still missing.

 

[evvabeing]

also...

Toronto Police not following citizens' leads

"Neighbourhood sources have told the Star there is a third person who was involved in the shooting. Toronto Police said Thursday they are not looking for a third suspect."

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...lling_was_street_level_stuff_sources_say.html

 

[evvabeing]

also...

Homicide Detectives have homicide expertise... if it didn't have to do with a homicide investigation then Narcotics Detectives, or Fraud Detectives, or whichever appropriate department detectives would have been sent, yet...

"While homicide investigators were assigned to the case, head of homicide Greg McLane told CP24 earlier this week the investigation is not connected to a murder, but that his detectives had certain expertise. Police sources supported this claim on Thursday."

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...lling_was_street_level_stuff_sources_say.html

 

[evvabeing]

also...

Toronto Police say no connection while RCMP still investigating...

"Toronto police said that they are aware of an arrest at the Fort McMurray address, but don’t believe it has any connection to the ongoing investigation into Mr. Smith’s murder.

An RCMP press release says the cause of the fall is currently under investigation. It’s not known whether there is a connection between the victim and Mr. Mohamed"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...nked-to-ongoing-ford-mystery/article12409189/


Toronto Police say no connection...

"No one has been arrested and the motive behind the shooting is unclear at this point,†Vella said.

No suspect description is available as yet. The investigation continues. "

http://www.insidetoronto.com/news-st...road-shooting/

while...

"On May 21, just a few days after the video scandal hit newsstands, a man was shot on the 17th floor of 320 Dixon Road. The same detectives who were reportedly tipped off by Mayor Ford’s staff about other illegal activities on the building’s 17th floor were dispatched to investigate, but police sources have since stated there is no link between the alleged video and the May 21 shooting. "

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05...on-dixon-road/

and...

"It’s not clear whether there’s a link between the highrise shooting and the Windsor Rd. assault. The Star has been told by police the shooting was accidental."

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha...dent_of_home_in_photo_trafficked_cocaine.html

 

[evvabeing]

and...

why is smith's family lying??

"“It’s disgusting, it’s deplorable, but we have nothing to say about the mayor,” mom Angela Erlington Smith said.

“He never attended Don Bosco, never played football. He was a basketball player and he wanted to be the next Damon Stoudamire,” she said of her son."

http://m.torontosun.com/2013/06/27/man-linked-to-ford-scandal-pleads-guilty-to-manslaughter

vs.

"Smith, 21, was gunned down outside of a King Street West nightclub.

He is also one of the people identified in a photograph with the mayor and was a player on the Don Bosco Eagles high school football team, which the mayor used to coach. "

http://globalnews.ca/news/642642/po...er-charges-connected-to-anthony-smith-murder/

 

[Tommy Shanks]

Haha, I see what you're saying, but I'm honestly just an interested observer. Very much interested, which is why I got an account and started posting here. I do like a lot of the other stuff on this site, though, so perhaps I should spread my wings a bit.

I did used to blog extensively about stuff that resembled (or seemed to resemble) some of the aspects of this story, which is maybe why I'm so hooked on it. I stopped the blogging stuff when the heat was turned on me to a very dangerous degree. I try not to engage here for that reason, but I can't help myself sometimes

I have to say I have lurked here for months. I am very much interested in the rest of the site, being in the industry and all, but this thread is so very compelling. I actually open it and see what has been posted first or second thing in the morning. The poeple doing the digging in this thread should be commended.

 

[evvabeing]

here's an example of what i've been wondering about on crack nation...

and let's not forget, just in case... kojo and a 32 yr old male were shot on april 25th...

"Mayor Rob Ford admits it’s the kind of news he lies awake at night fearing about hearing.

[...]

“Someone called (quick aside... why would someone call to tell the mayor about a former football player? i don't think my high school teachers and such would be called upon my death. and not only that, look at how that call went...

"It was a phone call that stunned Toronto Mayor Rob Ford.

“Did you hear what happened to Kojo?” the caller asked.

He hadn’t. "

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...s_of_slain_kwado_mensah_i_love_you_kiddo.html)

right, so...

“Someone called to tell me Kojo Mensah was shot and I just said ‘I can’t believe it,” he said. “He was one of my kids. It just kills me.”

Kwado “Kojo” Mensah, 20, was gunned down in Malvern (one more quick aside, i love how for kojo they say malvern, but for Surenthira Vaithilingam, who was killed in the same neighbourhood on may 29th, it's just listed as scarborough...

"Surendra Vaithilingam was shot to death in the backyard of his Scarborough home on May 29.

[...]

Toronto police Det.-Sgt. Justin Vander Heyden said Saturday that there is nothing obvious in Vaithilingam’s past that would explain the shooting.

However, he added that police do not believe this was a case of mistaken identity or a break-and-enter gone wrong."

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...se_photos_of_scarborough_shooting_victim.html)

back to...

Kwado “Kojo” Mensah, 20, was gunned down in Malvern Thursday night at the Grace Hartman Housing Co-op on Forest Creek Pathway, near Morningside and Old Finch Aves. and Toronto Police are working on the case.

He was more than a shooting victim to Ford and others who knew him during his several years on the squad of the Don Bosco Eagles."

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/27/ex-player-on-rob-fords-football-team-killed-in-malvern

plus... look at how "easily" they "connected" these...

"Police said Saturday they also believe a man who went to the emergency room late Thursday to be treated for non-life-threatening gunshot wounds is connected to the fatal shooting.

The 32-year-old man arrived at hospital with a gunshot wound to his lower body and said he had been shot earlier in the evening in Scarborough."

http://www.cp24.com/news/police-identify-victim-of-fatal-scarborough-shooting-1.1257154

yet they claim they "don't speculate"...

"Toronto Police Department spokesperson Mark Pugash confirmed to Gawker that on that evening, at approximately 11 p.m., officers responded to an "assault in progress" at 15 Windsor Rd. "A male forced his way into the house and assaulted two people with a weapon," Pugash said. "The suspect fled on foot, and two victims were taken to the hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. No arrests have been made, and the investigation continues." Asked if the department believed the assault to be connected to Mayor Rob Ford, Pugash replied: "We don't speculate.""

http://gawker.com/a-pipe-wielding-thug-stormed-the-rob-ford-crackhouse-s-511642073

but then again...

"Police told CBC News that they have "no information that the suspect was looking for a video," as some news outlets have alleged, but did say he was specifically looking for one of the victims. When officers arrived to investigate, there was "not much" co-operation from residents of the home, police said."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/06/06/toronto-rob-ford-house-photo.html

one thing i meant to add... how come there's no article about rob being called and being sad when another of his former players, anthony smith, was killed?

 

[mrtinfoilsocket]

and...

why is smith's family lying??

"“It’s disgusting, it’s deplorable, but we have nothing to say about the mayor,” mom Angela Erlington Smith said.

“He never attended Don Bosco, never played football. He was a basketball player and he wanted to be the next Damon Stoudamire,” she said of her son."

http://m.torontosun.com/2013/06/27/man-linked-to-ford-scandal-pleads-guilty-to-manslaughter

vs.

"Smith, 21, was gunned down outside of a King Street West nightclub.

He is also one of the people identified in a photograph with the mayor and was a player on the Don Bosco Eagles high school football team, which the mayor used to coach. "

http://globalnews.ca/news/642642/po...er-charges-connected-to-anthony-smith-murder/

Actually this is something I've been wondering about for a while. Did Ford actually coach Anthony Smith at Don Boscoe? That Global link says yes but I've not been able to find it confirmed anywhere else. No other media source has claimed it to be true (that I can find).

The reason I've been thinking about it is because I've seen Ford supporters raise this point (that he DID coach Smith) as a means of justifying why Ford is in a photograph with a bunch of gangsters in front of an alleged crack house. I had never heard it myself until that Global link was shown to me. Even Ford himself when confronted with the photo responded along the lines of "I get photographed with a lot of people" instead of simply mentioning that he used to coach the person.

 

[evvabeing]

plus...

why was Hanad Hussein "spirited away to a remote Alberta hospital"? (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/14/what_blair_didnt_say_speaks_loudest_dimanno.html) and why have we heard nothing about him since?

from http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/70...n-from-alberta-balcony-recovering-in-secrecy/...

Toronto man thrown from Alberta balcony recovering in secrecy

"Hussein’s family say they believe the married father was thrown from the sixth floor following an altercation inside an apartment occupied by a female relative of Mohamed.

His wallet and iPhone have been missing since the incident, his family says.

The RMCP have not named Hussein publicly and won’t say if they are keeping his identity and location secret because of a suspected link with the Ford scandal. They say there is currently no indication Hussein’s ordeal is related to any other incident.

Torstar News Service located Hussein, who is suffering from several broken ribs and back injuries, and spoke at length with his sister and an aunt.

They said Hussein was slowly recovering but is in no condition to speak publicly about his ordeal. They believe his memory may also be affected.

[...]

Residents of the apartment complex in downtown Fort McMurray say that around 5:30 a.m. on Thursday, June 6, they heard male voices loudly arguing in a sixth-floor apartment on the south side of tower two."

 

[evvabeing]

Actually this is something I've been wondering about for a while. Did Ford actually coach Anthony Smith at Don Boscoe? That Global link says yes but I've not been able to find it confirmed anywhere else. No other media source has claimed it to be true (that I can find).

The reason I've been thinking about it is because I've seen Ford supporters raise this point (that he DID coach Smith) as a means of justifying why Ford is in a photograph with a bunch of gangsters in front of an alleged crack house. I had never heard it myself until that Global link was shown to me. Even Ford himself when confronted with the photo responded along the lines of "I get photographed with a lot of people" instead of simply mentioning that he used to coach the person.

at least two global articles say it. this one http://globalnews.ca/news/619186/house-ided-where-rob-ford-photo-taken/ says "The photo allegedly shows the mayor with three men, including one who has been identified as Anthony Smith, a former player on the Don Bosco Eagles — the football team Ford coached before being dropped by the Toronto Catholic District School Board."

and this one http://globalnews.ca/news/582404/mayor-rob-ford-dropped-as-coach-of-don-bosco-eagles-tcdsb/ says "Smith was a former player on the team Ford coached. He was gunned down outside of a Toronto nightclub in March."