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The Future of Bombardier

I suspect Transport Canada is already working with Metrolinx already on new rail regs -- just taking time before there's some big splash.
 
mdrejhon said:
I suspect Transport Canada is already working with Metrolinx already on new rail regs -- just taking time before there's some big splash.
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My read of the Acts is that Transport Canada is post-active, not pro-active. They will allow (or not) applications for waivers for a *specific model and make*, not apply to the Minister to have the regs re-written.

It continues to be an interesting point, as manufacturers are going to shy away from 'dipping their toe' in the Cdn market if it's a crap shoot whether their product 'meets regs', or will be approved by a 'waiver' if not.

It's not just rail TC is generations behind on, it's many facets of their competences, from seat belts in school buses to air regulation.

It's an embarrassment. Third World.

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They will allow (or not) applications for waivers for a *specific model and make*, not apply to the Minister to have the regs re-written.
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And that is applied for by the *operating company/org* not the manufacturer...
 
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drum118 said:
NYC Transit's new subway cars suffering on the tracks, dozens pulled from rails
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"Not only are they two years late, they have defects."
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"We have very high standards for the safety and performance of our subway cars, and if there's an issue on a car we work to get it addressed right away," said MTA spokesman Shams Tarek. "We continue to work through reliability issues with Bombardier; (NYC Transit) President (Andy) Byford is directly involved with bi-weekly meetings with Bombardier to force action on outstanding issues and deliver the remainder of the contract."
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NYC Transit, meanwhile, is desperate to get the cars running on the tracks so that it can retire the oldest of the 20th-century model cars still in operation, called R32.

Bombardier was already late to deliver the cars because of a cracking issue discovered during manufacturing. Even more problems cropped up once they started carrying riders in 2017, forcing the MTA to briefly suspend testing for nearly a week at the time.

"They're in really rough shape. I see so many stuck door panels," Albert said of the oldest models. "We're putting good money after bad with those."
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Now the real question, which of the following is it?
Déjà vu - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Déjà_vu
Déjà vu is a feeling of familiarity and déjà vécu (the feeling of having "already lived through" something) is a feeling of recollection.
 
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Johnny Au said:
Since Magna is part of the consortium building a Maglev line in the Toronto Zoo, if it becomes successful, Magna could compete with Bombardier in rail transportation.

It is unlikely Magna would purchase Bombardier, but just imagine what if it were to happen.
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What Magna company are you referring to ?
 
thettctransitfanatic said:
I think BBD will be burnt toast if they've are unable to deliver the 5 Crosstown LRVs.
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I doubt 5 LRV prototypes being delivered 3 years before a line opens is going to cause many problems if they don't arrive. If anything it just shows the incompetence of Metrolinx and the inability to redesign plans when they fall through. If we had the SRT a converted to LRVs and the Sheppard LRT up and running and then Metrolinx wouldn't be demanding to have the cars delivered now.
 
thettctransitfanatic said:
I think BBD will be burnt toast if they've are unable to deliver the 5 Crosstown LRVs.
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They're already built and testing in Kingston. The biggest issue has been Metrolinx not signing for delivery over the tiniest of cosmetic deficiencies in an effort to assert that everything is Bombardier's fault.
 
jordanmkasla2009 said:
They're already built and testing in Kingston. The biggest issue has been Metrolinx not signing for delivery over the tiniest of cosmetic deficiencies in an effort to assert that everything is Bombardier's fault.
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Being a bit hypocritical much? Just as some lay blame on squarely on bbr, you lay blame squarely on ML. Both entities should share blame, ml being inexperienced and making some questionable calls and bbr failing to meet contractual standards and agreements. As its shown clearly from the ttc order, bbr has deeply serious problems with their north American operations and now their European operations are shown to have high profile problems.

Alot of people are commenting that ML doesnt have tracks ready so who cares....but a contact is a contract. For all they care ML could have the lrvs in the shed for 2 years, it doesnt matter. Bbr couldve been in the driver seat on this spat had they had their lrv ready and if they didnt bungle their ttc order, but they shot themselves in the foot by missing the ion order and set a poor precedent. Now they have little leverage to claim innocence.

Edit: imo bbr underestimated MLs inexperience in procurement and thought they could ride it out but as with new clients they are unpredictable and they shouldn't have been naive to it
 
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Being a bit hypocritical much? Just as some lay blame on squarely on bbr, you lay blame squarely on ML. Both entities should share blame, ml being inexperienced and making some questionable calls and bbr failing to meet contractual standards and agreements. As its shown clearly from the ttc order, bbr has deeply serious problems with their north American operations and now their European operations are shown to have high profile problems.

Alot of people are commenting that ML doesnt have tracks ready so who cares....but a contact is a contract. For all they care ML could have the lrvs in the shed for 2 years, it doesnt matter. Bbr couldve been in the driver seat on this spat had they had their lrv ready and if they didnt bungle their ttc order, but they shot themselves in the foot by missing the ion order and set a poor precedent. Now they have little leverage to claim innocence.
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I'm not being hypocritical at all. Metrolinx dropped the ball on many important aspects of the project, and those failures directly resulted in delays in production of all Flexity Freedoms as contracted by Metrolinx and the Region Of Waterloo (Region of Waterloo order is an extension of the Metrolinx order). And for the record, it really does matter that the customer has tracks ready because the Millhaven test track is too flat, too straight, and the curves that it does have are too damn wide to test and tune the on-board control systems for intended operations. Most of the necessary testing and tuning had to be done in Waterloo because the Sheppard LRT (which was supposed to be open by now if it wasn't shelved indefinitely) was supposed to be the launch system of this new vehicle and so that line would have been used for a lot of the tuning of the on-board control systems.
 
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