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The Future of Bombardier

Only business jets now if this goes through, a systematic dismantling of Bombardier's once proud commercial aerospace division. Ironic though that while it created its aerospace division mostly through acquisitions, it's coming apart the same way.


Bombardier in talks to sell its last commercial jet business to Mitsubishi
The CRJ regional jet once produced the bulk of Bombardier’s revenue, but now it’s losing money
Bruce Einhorn June 5, 2019 8:55 AM EDT

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd., which is building Japan’s first airliner since the 1960s, is in talks to buy Bombardier Inc.’s CRJ regional jet program to bolster its plane manufacturing ambitions.

Still, no decision has been made, the Tokyo-based company said in a statement Wednesday after Air Current reported that the negotiations were at an advanced stage. Air Current said an agreement may be announced as early as the Paris Air Show, which starts June 17. Representatives at Bombardier, the second-largest maker of regional jets, couldn’t immediately comment.
For Bombardier a deal would mark the end of an era as it would involve the company’s last remaining commercial-aviation asset, according to the Air Current. The Canadian aerospace company has said that it would explore options for its unprofitable CRJ regional-jet program.

The CRJ once produced the bulk of Bombardier’s revenue, but trains and business aircraft have since overtaken regional jetliners as the main drivers of profit. About 1,500 of the CRJ planes are in service worldwide.
 
how convenient.
Why do we need these bilevels???????????
The OnCorr proponent is supposed to procure new fleet. What are we going to do with all these bilevels?
Unless I'm missing something, this is corruption and a boneheaded move.

Bilevels will provide service to the outer regions. Barrie, Kitchener, Bowmanville, Niagara, Stouffville, and on the non electrified Milton and Richmond Hill lines.

Whether being pulled by electric loco (Barrie will be electrified) or diesel.

Electrification isnt here yet and we need to ramp up service levels in the mean time. At the same time some bilevels are reaching their end of life, the ones from the 70's.

Btw 36 bilevels is just 3 new trains. Each train is 12 bilevels. Really not that much.

Also bilevels are very easy to sell; many transit networks in north america use them and they are in demand.
 
The OnCorr proponent is supposed to procure new fleet. What are we going to do with all these bilevels?
Unless I'm missing something, this is corruption and a boneheaded move.

OnCorr has the option to procure a new fleet; nothing requires them to do so (electric locomotives hauling existing equipment around is an option). The tender requires minimum performance levels without specifying technology.

Also, we don't know when they might do so as OnCorr tender has no due dates; it's vendors choice.
 
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how convenient.
Why do we need these bilevels???????????
The OnCorr proponent is supposed to procure new fleet. What are we going to do with all these bilevels?
Unless I'm missing something, this is corruption and a boneheaded move.
Anyone have a sense of how long the oldest cars in the fleet have got left? This may (looking at it generously) be merely marking time given the longer time horizon of electrification at this point.
 
Only business jets now if this goes through, a systematic dismantling of Bombardier's once proud commercial aerospace division. Ironic though that while it created its aerospace division mostly through acquisitions, it's coming apart the same way.


Bombardier in talks to sell its last commercial jet business to Mitsubishi
The CRJ regional jet once produced the bulk of Bombardier’s revenue, but now it’s losing money
Bruce Einhorn June 5, 2019 8:55 AM EDT



Yet another Pierre Beaudoin legacy project. My goodness did he ever leave a world of hurt to this company.
 
Interesting notes from above:

Bombardier has long been cash-flow challenged. The deep-pocketed Siemens and Alstom can each out-spend it in everything from R&D investment to vendor financing. The latter is a high card in a global passenger rail industry where almost all the customers are tight-fisted governments.
A threat on the horizon for Bombardier Transportation is a possible ban from bidding on World Bank-financed projects. This is important because the Bank finances scores of projects in emerging economies that are key markets for Bombardier Transportation.

The Bank alleges that Bombardier meddled in an audit of a 2013 Bombardier-led consortium to supply signaling equipment in Azerbaijan. Bombardier has refuted the allegations, saying it acted properly in its role in the $340-million contract.
 
So much for LRT production. Honestly, this company is f#cked. They should be winning bids and building LRT units for systems across North America. Idiots.

Bombardier to lay off half the 1,100 workers at Thunder Bay, Ont. railway plant
 
To be honest, I think everyone sort of knew that this was a real possibility with Bombardier's inherited UTDC properties, but chose to put it at the back of their minds.
 
So much for LRT production. Honestly, this company is f#cked. They should be winning bids and building LRT units for systems across North America. Idiots.

Bombardier to lay off half the 1,100 workers at Thunder Bay, Ont. railway plant
If BBD wasn't part of the P3 team for Edmonton, TTC and Metrolinx would been the last LRV's built in NA. They are in a shit hole of problems on all their orders.

BBD hasn't pickup any orders in the US after their screw up with Minneapolis order, considering Siemens has and is building over a 1,000's LRV's since the mid 2000's. Any LRV for the US has to have a 70% buy America in them which rules out Thunder Bay.

Those BBD cars in Minneapolis are schedule for a short life cycle and are to be replace by Siemens cars late 2020. They can't be MU to Siemens cars and the systems needs to run 3 car train today, not the 2 that was built in the first place. All existing platforms have or in the process of being rebuilt for 3 cars long.

BBD has used a shit load of CEO's in the last 10 years.

Going out on the limb, BBD is twisting Ford Arm to get work and want the Ontario Line to be like Vancouver Sky Train System. That would be a great mistake to do so. They wanted not only to replace the SRT, but extended it to Union with the Sky Train at the beginning of the EA cycle and got rule out.
 
I can only assume that Bombardier Transport division is eventually acquired by Siemens or a leading player elsewhere. And with the breakup of the Aerospace division to Mitsubishi, Airbus and Viking, what’s left? The family BRP biz I suppose, but that’s a separate animal.

As for Thunder Bay, has that firm been owned by a private Ontario-based entity? It seems to bounce back and forth between British and Quebec firms, with a brief period of Ontario government ownership.
 
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