innsertnamehere
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doesn't Thunder Bay do most of GO's orders? Given RER on the way, if they could land that contract, they would be safe for a long while.
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The Future of Bombardier
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drum118
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All GO coaches are built in Thunder Bay as directed by QP.
Its possible that an open tender can be issues for RER equipment under the new trade agreement where another supplier could get the order. Stadler could give BBD a run for the order, as well others. I believe Metrolinx has gone to market to see who can build the new rolling stock already to the point they know who to issues an RFP to. Stadler is already doing an order for SF EMU's.
Since the province is paying for this rolling stock and Ford in office, Ford can say the order goes to BBD, even if it cost more to do so. Could be a legal challenge if no bid process takes place, with the Fed's behind it, especially if they are partly funding it.
robmausser
Senior Member
Bombardier has a better chance at this contract than the Via one; they simply didnt have any off-the-shelf solution like Siemens did. Siemens got lucky that what VIA was asking for was nearly identical to what they already built for Brightline in Florida.
Bombardier has an EMU that would be attractive to Metrolinx, The Twindexx
https://www.railwaygazette.com/news...iew/sbb-approves-pre-series-twindexx-emu.html
So they would be better poised to make an attractive bid.
raptor
Senior Member
under the current AFP model, Bombardier wouldn't be able to submit a standalone bid for the fleet. Rather, they would need to join a consortium, bidding for the whole DBFOM package.
cplchanb
Senior Member
afaik, the via order was to have been built in quebec so thunder bay was screwed either way...
nfitz
Superstar
It's even more screwed, now they have to find other work to fill the Quebec plants.
Though the New Jersey order they just got, could be over $3 billion eventually - https://montrealgazette.com/business/bombardier-wins-contract-for-new-jersey-rail-cars
drum118
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Under the contract for 133 cars for NJ, there is an option for additional 866 cars with 256 going to SEPTA for $3.6 Billion US.
Is BBD part of any consortium DBFOM package bid and if not, not looking good for Thunder Bay??
Is BBD part of any consortium DBFOM package bid and if not, not looking good for Thunder Bay??
KevinT
Active Member
I suspect that until Transport Canada has its typical "I'll have what she's having" moment with regards to the updated FRA regs, the Twindexx would not be allowed on any of Metrolinx' track.
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White Pine
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I would think that BBD's deadlines in Toronto and Edmonton would be easier to meet if they could churn a few cars out of Thunder Bay when the TTC order is done. Plus, there is a chance that they could get the next streetcar order if it happens before the assembly line finishes up.
nephersir7
Active Member
Quebec City's LRT comes to mind. (36 light rail trains needed by 2026)
Also, exo wants to get rid of ALL their locomotives (20 dual-mode ALP-45DPs, 10 F59PH, 11 F55PHI) to replace them with a cheaper to maintain standardized fleet.
Some additional LRVs could also be required if the new CAQ government decides to go ahead with their plan to build three LRT lines in the Montreal area by 2030.
That should keep La Pocatière busy until the STM replaces their MR73 metro trains in the 2030s.
nfitz
Superstar
They already seem to have committed to 32 cars from Kingston in 2019 to TTC. I'd think the 26 Edmonton cars would have to be delivered in 2019 as well, with the 2020 opening.
By the time they start delivering the add-on TTC order in 2020, the Edmonton cars should be all but done. And they only have 76 Metrolinx cars to deliver now, after Metrolinx paid Bombardier to reduce the order from 182 to 76 cars.
There should be plenty of capacity at Kingston to build both the TTC and Metrolinx cars in 2020 and 2021. And who knows, Bombardier might negotiate to even be delivering the TTC cars into 2022. TTC certainly needs car 1 of 60 asap, but they don't need car 40 of 60 asap. But I'm pulling it from deep up my imagination here ... I've no facts to support this guess.
I'd assume that Bombardier has a good chance to build the cars for Phase 2 of the Edmonton Valley Line as well, which they announced funding for last month. Though that should open in 2027 or later.
White Pine
Active Member
I could be wrong, but didn't exo go with CRRC?
drum118
Superstar
This is what been proposed for NJ
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nephersir7
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They went with CRRC for an order of 24 multilevel cars. They weren't looking for new locomotives as part of that contract.
steveintoronto
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Railway Age has an excellent article here on it: https://www.railwayage.com/passenger/commuterregional/for-njt-another-rolling-stock-innovation/
I read it after reading their VIA Siemens article, and thought: "Wow, this is what Metrolinx dreams about"...except Transport Canada hasn't the intellectual capacity to understand...
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