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Dundas St Rapid Transit (Metrolinx, Mississauga, Halton Region, CoT)

AlvinofDiaspar said:
I can't see that happening between Confederation and Cawthra without some expropriation for ROW widening. The main problem is probably going to be properties with buildings right up to the lot line between Confed and Hurontario - though none are in particularly great shape.

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The City of Mississauga is holding a public meeting next week to discuss road widening. (source: https://www.dundasconnects.ca/about/key_dates#18348)

11 November 2019
Statutory Public Meeting: Dundas Street Right-of-Way Width
Monday, November 11, 2019 at 6:00 p.m.
Mississauga Civic Centre, Council Chambers, 300 City Centre Drive
Planning and Development Committee
Agenda(External link)

Join us on November 11, 2019 for a statutory public meeting to consider changes to the Official Plan for the Dundas Street right-of-way width. As a key recommendation of the Council approved Dundas Connects Master Plan(External link) (see pages 166 – 167), the proposed changes will widen the right-of-way to protect for dedicated bus lanes, four general vehicular lanes and enhanced pedestrian and cycling amenities.
To share your views in advance of the meeting, please contact Christian Binette by email(External link) or by phone at 905-615-3200, ext. 5753.
 
Towered said:
Would it be true BRT, in it's own separated ROW?
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Yes, this segment would be fully separated in median BRT. An example is below.
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Mississauga's Dundas Street East and West is similar to Scarborough's Eglinton Avenue East, between the Golden Mile and Kennedy Station. And Eglinton Avenue East is getting a LRT.

With some work, they can turn all those parking lots in Mississauga into something like what they're doing with the Golden Mile in Scarborough.

Revitalization project aims to put the glitter back in the Golden Mile

See link.

For Ginelle Skerritt, the Golden Mile was “the place to be” when she was growing up in Scarborough in the 1970s.

“It was home to the biggest movie theatre in the area,” says Skerritt, who remembers the excitement of going to the Golden Mile Cinema on her 9th birthday and standing in a block-long lineup that stretched along Eglinton Ave. E. from Victoria Park to Pharmacy.

“Whenever I hear the words Golden Mile, I think about that time. It is such a happy memory for me.”

The Eglinton strip from Victoria Park Ave. to Birchmount Rd. is not such a happy place anymore.

The once bustling avenue — heralded in the 1950s as the heart of Canada’s first industrial park, made possible by the purchase of former federal munitions properties by then-Scarborough reeve Oliver Crockford — is now a sea of parking lots, car dealerships and big box retail outlets.

Construction equipment and concrete barriers that clog Eglinton as part of the Crosstown transit project only add to the general unsightliness of the area.
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But Skerritt sees the possibilities.

On Tuesday, BMO Financial Group and United Way Greater Toronto are launching a new initiative that will see the leaders of some of Canada’s biggest corporations invest their time, money and expertise to ensure the revitalization of Scarborough’s storied Golden Mile puts area residents in the driver’s seat.
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And Skerritt, in her role as executive director of the Warden Woods Community Centre, is among a handful of local community leaders who have been invited to help make it happen.

“Certainly in all my years, I’ve never been invited to a table like this,” Skerritt said of a meeting in October co-chaired by BMO chief executive officer Darryl White and United Way Greater Toronto president Daniele Zanotti.
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“We normally don’t get to have a chance to sit down with the corporate community and have a chance to think about what it means to create a destination or a place that is going to have a meaningful impact on people’s lives — before it happens,” she added.

White is equally excited about the potential.

“I’m not aware of a circumstance in Toronto — or anywhere — where the most senior people sit and devote real time, effort and resources alongside the most senior people in the community,” he said in an interview.

The city of Toronto, which is currently creating new planning rules and guidelines for the Golden Mile area to accompany the Eglinton Crosstown project, has been consulting with residents, community groups and area landowners for almost two years....
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Dundas Street Right-of-Way Mississauga Official Plan Amendment

Join us on January 13, 2020 for a meeting to recommend approval of a wider Dundas Street right-of-way. A report will be presented that will include responses to formal comments received to date. As a key recommendation of the Council approved Dundas Connects Master Plan (see pages 166 – 167), the proposed changes will widen the right-of-way to protect for dedicated bus lanes, four general vehicular lanes and enhanced pedestrian and cycling amenities. The Agenda for the meeting will be made available on January 6, 2020.
Meeting Details:

When: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 1:30 p.m.

Where: Mississauga Civic Centre, Council Chambers, 300 City Centre Drive​
 
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tmlittle said:
A pity this seems to be BRT at the cost of widening.
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You can't justify an LRT System west of Mavis Rd and Metrolinx wants one system from Kipling to Burlington. Will Toronto allow an LRT/BRT on Dundas from the West Mall to the new Regional Hub??

In fact, having a BRT on Dundas in Halton is going to be hard to Justify regardless its been in Halton Master Plan for 20 years already.

The car folks will be piss regardless if an LRT/BRT is built, as they will loose a lane of traffic in both direction.
 
M II A II R II K said:
Perhaps if Hurontario is a success then Dundas would get LRT. And perhaps it could be taken off the road between Cloverdale and Kipling station.
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Not in your life time.

Look at the density of the "FULL" proposed line from Kipling to Burlington now and try vision what it may look like come 2050.

Today Ridership falls off at Hurontario and drop off at Mississauga Rd. There was express service to Oakville and it die due to non ridership. There isn't that much density from Mississauga to Burlington today, nor by 2050 to support a fully BRT line, let alone the idea of an LRT line.

Dundas east of Hurontario if develop correctly in the coming decades can out strip Hurontario for both development and ridership that an LRT is needed sooner than later.. From Hurontario to Mavis, not going to see much more development, but will support an LRT. West of Mavis to 403 needs a totally rebuilt to support LRT, let alone BRT and you have the valley there at Mississauga Rd that will see next to no development.

Dundas in Toronto from the West Mall to Kipling will support an LRT down the road as it gets redevelop.

Have no idea where you think the LRT can go from Cloverdale to Kipling other than Dundas, as the Rail corridor can't be use, along with the lands being built on now next to the corridor.

When the EA was started for Hurontario, there was thinking then that an LRT would be built on Dundas to Kipling and a yard west of CP line. The only problem with the yard, it would have to be in the Dixie Rd area as there is no land where it was being proposed, other bulldoze the area and closing streets off. Wasn't a fan of that idea then nor now.

Metrolinx is not a fan of having 2 types of service on Dundas, let alone 3 and has wanted BRT from day one.
 
M II A II R II K said:
Perhaps if Hurontario is a success then Dundas would get LRT. And perhaps it could be taken off the road between Cloverdale and Kipling station.
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By the time you hit those capacities, isn't it realistic to think that you'll be able to run a platoon of electric buses in a dedicated BRT lane, meaning you may not really need to upgrade BRT routes to LRT?
 
jcam said:
By the time you hit those capacities, isn't it realistic to think that you'll be able to run a platoon of electric buses in a dedicated BRT lane, meaning you may not really need to upgrade BRT routes to LRT?
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It will be upgraded to the looong over due subway extension. From Cloverdale to Hurontario/Mavis will become LRT. Any buses in the area you call for will have to double deck as artic's will never do the job every minute to meet peak load. Even DD will be hard press to do so. Forget about 40' from day one.
 
Wm Perkins Bull said:
I'm not sure if anyone has seen this yet, this is the RFP Mississauga put out for all three of their BRT projects
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Will be interesting to see were the 2 km BRT on the Lakeshore is, since the route is longer than that.

Can't see why Dundas and Lakeshore can't be done by 2026.

As for the so call Downtown terminal, one hopes its a new larger one with a better connection to the existing Transitway and should be tie in with the building of the LRT station.
 
drum118 said:
Will be interesting to see were the 2 km BRT on the Lakeshore is, since the route is longer than that.

Can't see why Dundas and Lakeshore can't be done by 2026.

As for the so call Downtown terminal, one hopes its a new larger one with a better connection to the existing Transitway and should be tie in with the building of the LRT station.
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For Lakeshore, its the portion from Deta Rd to East Ave. It seems the building-building ROW is widest here and would be easier to implement. It will also serve the Inspiration Lakeview redevelopment
Deets:
web.mississauga.ca

City Council Supports Plan for Improved Transit on the Lakeshore Corridor

Today City Council endorsed the Lakeshore Connecting Communities Transportation Master Plan.
web.mississauga.ca web.mississauga.ca
 
SOS_Urbanist said:
For Lakeshore, its the portion from Deta Rd to East Ave. It seems the building-building ROW is widest here and would be easier to implement. It will also serve the Inspiration Lakeview redevelopment
Deets:
web.mississauga.ca

City Council Supports Plan for Improved Transit on the Lakeshore Corridor

Today City Council endorsed the Lakeshore Connecting Communities Transportation Master Plan.
web.mississauga.ca web.mississauga.ca
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That the only area where there will be little opposition to an BRT and was sure this was the area
 
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