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Danforth Line 2 Scarborough Subway Extension

There's not much need for a station at lawrence and McCowan, it's just a hospital and low-density commercial and residential. The only reason a station would be necessary here would be on an "if you build it they will come" type of mentality, but with large parks taking over the northern side of the intersection and past the hospital, theres nothing here worth building a subway station for aside from the hospital. That being said, future development CAN happen and if a future city council wants a station here, it would be better to spend for at least a rough in here to avoid massive disruptions later.

a rough-in for a future station sure beats just a one stop multi-billion dollar subway.
 
mgnorthcott said:
There's not much need for a station at lawrence and McCowan, it's just a hospital and low-density commercial and residential. The only reason a station would be necessary here would be on an "if you build it they will come" type of mentality, but with large parks taking over the northern side of the intersection and past the hospital, theres nothing here worth building a subway station for aside from the hospital. That being said, future development CAN happen and if a future city council wants a station here, it would be better to spend for at least a rough in here to avoid massive disruptions later.

a rough-in for a future station sure beats just a one stop multi-billion dollar subway.
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Toronto's subway is a success because of the surface bus lines that feed it. The 54 Lawrence East is a busy route, low-income neighbourhoods around Markham/Lawrence and Morningside/Lawrence would be served with a quicker bus connection. The York-Vaughan extension shortens travel times for many Jane/Finch residents by virtue of the Finch West Station.

Could you imagine a subway to York U and Vaughan that skips a stop at Finch Avenue?
 
mgnorthcott said:
There's not much need for a station at lawrence and McCowan, it's just a hospital and low-density commercial and residential.
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You can't be serious. Look at ridership stats at Lawrence. The other stations are not defensible. McCowan, Brimley and Ellesmere are only a km or two from STC. So they can be consolidated there. Lawerence East ridership cannot be consolidated conveniently at Kennedy or STC.

I'd rather see them avoid an extension to Sheppard in the future and put in Lawrence station. Also, if Smart Track happen they can leave it as a service committed to serving north of the 401.
 
Everything in the last three weeks (since the discussion on the last public meeting fizzled out - there was some fresh material to discuss/debate, like the possibility of a Lawrence/McCowan roughed-in station) has been moved here:

http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/debate-on-the-merits-of-the-scarborough-subway-extension.27288/

This thread is for discussion on any new developments only. If there's another public meeting, news item, or council matter relevant to this, go ahead and post here. But the circular arguments can go elsewhere.
 
ShonTron said:
This thread is for discussion on any new developments only. If there's another public meeting, news item, or council matter relevant to this, go ahead and post here. But the circular arguments can go elsewhere.
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Or they could stop entirely, which would be a welcome relief to the community.

Anyway thanks for splitting up the thread.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Can we do this for the Relief Line thread too? There's been more discussion about alt-DRLs than actual project updates.
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I agree. We must separate discussions pertaining to actual development from discussions pertaining to complaining about people complaining, as well as complaining about people complaining about people complaining and so on and so forth.
 
OneCity said:
http://www.scarboroughsubwayextension.ca/tpap-public-meeting.html
The Q&A from the TPAP meeting was mainly about the addition of the Lawrence stop. This support is too big to be ignored come election time. Council needs to add this back in at 30% for the better of the line and save another likely battle.
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I'm wondering if the outright exclusion of a Lawrence station is even Council's doing. Something seems kinda up with the planning here. Used to be that affordable options were explored and presented, at least preliminarily. Then it'd be up to council to yay or nay toward the high-cost. Like with a station at Lawrence we'd see a low-level viaduct or buried station box below the river (a la York Mills). But now it's as if we skipped that step and moved right to the high-cost option: deep bore or nothing.
 
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