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smallspy said:
There will be a new order of equipment by then, probably about 10 or 12 trainsets. I think that this is already in the Capital budget.

Dan
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Do you happen to know if they'll just be Toronto Rocket trainsets or a new model of the trainsets? (similar to the second/third etc generations of the H-series)

10-12 seems like enough for service expansion on the existing subway line, but will it be enough for maintaining service and extending the subway to Richmond Hill?
 
Streety McCarface said:
Do you happen to know if they'll just be Toronto Rocket trainsets or a new model of the trainsets? (similar to the second/third etc generations of the H-series)
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It hasn't gone out to tender yet, so it's far too early to have an answer for that question.

Streety McCarface said:
10-12 seems like enough for service expansion on the existing subway line, but will it be enough for maintaining service and extending the subway to Richmond Hill?
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Additional trainsets for Richmond Hill have their own budget and line item tied in with that expansion project. It would stand to reason, however, that whatever tender is signed for the system expansion would also have an option for the equipment required for Richmond Hill - after all, this is what happened for TYSSE.

Dan
 
From the TTC’s Service Plan 2020-2024 report, and from Steve Munro's website at this link...

growthareas_20202024.jpg


One of the "most residential growth" is in the former Village of Swansea (west of High Park, south of Bloor Street West). Line 2 is on the north border, and 501 is on the south border. Swansea internally is serviced currently by the 77 SWANSEA bus (interlined with 71 RUNNYMEDE).

From 1989-1996, the South Kingsway was serviced by the 138 SOUTH KINGWAY bus. See link.

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The 138 SOUTH KINGWAY was eliminated in 1996 because of the elimination of provincial subsidy, courtesy of Mike Harris.

With increased residential growth, it is time for an increase in TTC service in Swansea. Either a return of the 138 SOUTH KINGSWAY or an extension of existing bus routes out of the JANE STATION would be of benefit. The 26 DUPONT or 55 WARREN PARK could be extended south on South Kingway to The Queensway, and provide service in the South Kingway valley of Swansea. Service on South Kingway could also provide shuttle service in case of problems with Line 2 or 501, especially with crossover tracks at JANE STATION.
 
smallspy said:
Well ridership on the subway is higher now than it ever has been before, so there's that working for it.

And you're right, Mt. Pleasant is getting much denser.

But the fact of the matter is that no matter how many buses you put on there, it's only going to make the slightest dent in the ridership on the subway. And so the question needs to be asked - is that the best use of resources?



I do believe that was the spot where trains used to be lengthened and shortened, back when they did that in the early 1980s. The lights were to help the crews see that the coupling or uncoupling was completed successfully.



There will be a new order of equipment by then, probably about 10 or 12 trainsets. I think that this is already in the Capital budget.

Dan
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Does the Wilson Yard accommodate 10 more trainsets?
 
TransitBart said:
Does the Wilson Yard accommodate 10 more trainsets?
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The Line 1 has tailtracks available should they need them in the short term. Currently, they use the tailtracks for very cold winter night storage of trains.

Should Line 1 be extended north along Yonge Street, a new yard and repair and maintenance facility would be included to accommodate a larger fleet.

Currently unfunded, the TTC wants to establish a new western train yard southwest of Kipling Station for storage and maintenance of a larger fleet of Line 2 cars.
 
TTC could get the Sheppard TRs back by retrofitting some 4 car T1s as fixed consists with the end cabs made full width to accommodate ATC and OPTO gear. This would mean that with a small order of mid cars the TTC would gain additional 6 car sets. It wasn’t worth doing before, but if TTC are going to go ahead and extend the T1 fleet lifespan then knowing the degree of difficulty of rewiring T1s for ATC may become worth investigating.

Interesting that Rick Leary says “195 streetcars are on property”. Clearly that should have read “accepted” given the whereabouts of most of the first ten cars and 4471/4478.
 
TransitBart said:
Does the Wilson Yard accommodate 10 more trainsets?
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There's enough land at the Wilson complex to allow for that kind of expansion and then some, yes.

The problem is that at some point - and it may be soon - the sheer number of trains coming out of and going back into the yard on a daily basis will trigger a shelved plan to build a grade-separated access to the north end of the yard from the mainline. Some of this can be obviated by simply storing the equipment elsewhere. In part, that's why the more medium-term plans call for the construction of a train storage facility on the Yonge Line extension.

Dan
 
smallspy said:
There's enough land at the Wilson complex to allow for that kind of expansion and then some, yes.

The problem is that at some point - and it may be soon - the sheer number of trains coming out of and going back into the yard on a daily basis will trigger a shelved plan to build a grade-separated access to the north end of the yard from the mainline. Some of this can be obviated by simply storing the equipment elsewhere. In part, that's why the more medium-term plans call for the construction of a train storage facility on the Yonge Line extension.

Dan
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None of that construction will be complete before the trains in the 2020-2024 service plan are here and in service.
 
TransitBart said:
None of that construction will be complete before the trains in the 2020-2024 service plan are here and in service.
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You're right. But it may still trigger the requirement for it to happen.

As it is, in inclement weather they already have trouble getting the trains into service in the necessary amount of time in the morning.

Dan
 
What is the latest on Dundas West station redesign (connecting to UP, building on top, extending the streetcar to the Junction, etc)?

The station is already overloaded with streetcars stuck queuing up turn in and out across Dundas West. It seems wild for an area with so many developments in development to be planning around the current design and the 2011 proposed design doesn't fix the most fundamental issues while requiring a land expropriation? What am I missing?
 
blu_in_green said:
What is the latest on Dundas West station redesign (connecting to UP, building on top, extending the streetcar to the Junction, etc)?

The station is already overloaded with streetcars stuck queuing up turn in and out across Dundas West. It seems wild for an area with so many developments in development to be planning around the current design and the 2011 proposed design doesn't fix the most fundamental issues while requiring a land expropriation? What am I missing?
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As far as I know there is no movement on this. You asked same question on another thread last week https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/ttc-streetcar-network.27667/page-65 The answer will not change even if you really, really, really want it to.
 
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blu_in_green said:
What is the latest on Dundas West station redesign (connecting to UP, building on top, extending the streetcar to the Junction, etc)?

The station is already overloaded with streetcars stuck queuing up turn in and out across Dundas West. It seems wild for an area with so many developments in development to be planning around the current design and the 2011 proposed design doesn't fix the most fundamental issues while requiring a land expropriation? What am I missing?
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They probably have something more "important" to look at... like the automobile. The city have no time for public transit or pedestrians or cyclists.
 
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