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TTC: Streetcar Network

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1. Of course, if there are no streetcars on the current Dundas West loop there will be no noise - but what about 504?
2. To get a sound barrier erected at the station loop would doubtless mean work by the local Councillor BUT many people like sound barriers even less than they like noise and any barrier (unless right AT the homes) would need gaps for streetcars and streets so would probably not even work.
3. Any development on the site of Dundas West station would need to be pretty tall to make it financially viable and I wonder how THAT would go over in the area.
Could you expand on the 504 consideration? Just curious why it wouldn't make sense to send it up to the Junction as well? Isn't extending the area served a positive?
 

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Could you expand on the 504 consideration? Just curious why it wouldn't make sense to send it up to the Junction as well? Isn't extending the area served a positive?
I was not commenting on the desirability (or not) of extending the 504 to The Junction. Your post referred to the Dundas/Roncesvalles streetcar (the 505). I think that before one extends any line you need to look at the demand. How many people now transfer from 505 or 504 to the bus going to the Junction?
 

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Regarding the noise of the turn around of the Dundas West Streetcar:
> What are the chances of the TTC running the Dundas/Roncesvalles streetcar line up to the Junction?
> What is the path to having a sound barrier installed to mitigate noise from the surrounding areas?
> What are the chances of a developer building on top of the Dundas west station and revitalizing the whole corner?

Any of these would mitigate the sound issues...
If they "surround" the streetcar tracks at the Dundas West Subway Station, like the McCaul Loop, they maybe able to reduce the noise.

From link.

They are working on plans for 1540 Bloor Street West (see link). In exchange for building OVER the streetcar tracks, they may get some concessions in return.
 

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Anyone know what is going on with this?
 

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Anyone know what is going on with this?
See: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/11/30/queen-streetcars-running-after-mysterious-ttc-issue-resolved.html It is also being discussed on the UT Streetcar Thread
 

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This past weekend, the 506 CARLTON streetcar was "diverted" to the KEELE Station due to city construction.

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506 Carlton - Temporary route change during City of Toronto construction
Streetcar restrictions December 8 to 9, 2019

10 p.m. December 8 to 4 a.m. December 9, 2019

506 Carlton streetcars will turn back at Bathurst Station.

506 Carlton replacement buses will operate in both directions via Spadina Crescent, Spadina Avenue, College Street, Dundas Street West, Howard Park Avenue, Parkside Drive, Keele Station.

306 Carlton replacement buses will operate in both directions via Spadina Crescent, Spadina Avenue, College Street, Dundas Street West, Dundas West Station.
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It shows what is missing with 506 streetcar. Currently, the 506 streetcar loops at the High Park Loop at Howard Park Avenue & Parkside Drive. The 506 bus looped at the KEELE station. Other times, the bus would loop at the HIGH PARK station. The 506 CARLTON streetcar should be also looping at KEELE station, however at the current time the KEELE station is too small to handle additon vehicles. Even the 189 STOCKYARDS bus does not enter the KEELE station because it is too small. The KEELE station needs to be expanded to handle more vehicles, including the 506 CARLTON streetcar.
 

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This past weekend, the 506 CARLTON streetcar was "diverted" to the KEELE Station due to city construction.

From link.

506 Carlton - Temporary route change during City of Toronto construction
Streetcar restrictions December 8 to 9, 2019



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It shows what is missing with 506 streetcar. Currently, the 506 streetcar loops at the High Park Loop at Howard Park Avenue & Parkside Drive. The 506 bus looped at the KEELE station. Other times, the bus would loop at the HIGH PARK station. The 506 CARLTON streetcar should be also looping at KEELE station, however at the current time the KEELE station is too small to handle additon vehicles. Even the 189 STOCKYARDS bus does not enter the KEELE station because it is too small. The KEELE station needs to be expanded to handle more vehicles, including the 506 CARLTON streetcar.
I highly doubt there would be any ridership even if the 506 tracks were extended to Keele Station. Buses loop there on this past weekend just to give drivers a place to take a break.
 
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Dream on! Let's deal with getting the current priorities done first - like the Waterfront expansions. - east and west.
Steve Munro has a new post today listing all (?) the route suggestions the TTC has received and among them is this one. Their answer is:
This is not in the City's Official Plan. (Also, not mentioned in the report, is that space for another route is not available at Keele Station and its geometry is such that adding a streetcar route would be difficult.)
 

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From Steve Munro's website, at this link.



A proposed route network was shown in the workshops, but it is not in the final report.​

The changes include:​
  • Route 501A would operate between Neville Loop and Sunnyside Loop.
  • Route 501B would operate between Long Branch Loop and a new Riverside Loop to be built on the land now occupied by a parking lot on Broadview north of Queen. This land is owned by the TTC.
  • The consolidation of routes 502 Downtowner and 503 Kingston Road is permanent.
  • Route 503 would operate between Bingham Loop and Dufferin Loop.
  • Route 504B would operate between Broadview Station and Humber Loop, later to a proposed Park Lawn loop.
Looks like the 503 will have evening and weekend service.
 

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An extended 506 would provide a (slow) outlet during subway outages between Keele and Ossington. That said, my recollection is that TTC is against new network additions in mixed traffic, and the terrain is not suited to road widening over at least some of the distance between Howard Park and Bloor.
 

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