News   Jan 28, 2022
 1.5K     8 
News   Jan 28, 2022
 548     0 
News   Jan 28, 2022
 336     0 

TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

crs1026

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Oct 16, 2014
Messages
7,602
Reaction score
11,998
BBD built the first batch of cars for Minneapolis early 2000's and has never supply anymore cars for all their new routes, as well the first line expansion. Same issue with the frame connections and welds, but use rivets to deal with the issues. Those cars are to be phase out early 2020 and still very young cars

IIRC the early press reports about the TTC delays (back around 4407 or so) said that BBD was wanting to rivet the TTC cars as a solution to the problems they were having back then, but TTC stood its ground and demanded the cars be built the right way - no workarounds.

It speaks to BBD's lack of commitment to getting things right in the early parts of the project. It's anyone's guess whether they have truly learned their lesson.

- Paul
 

drum118

Superstar
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 24, 2007
Messages
17,393
Reaction score
14,137
Location
Mississauga, where cars rule city growth
4484 has enter service as a 509 (BAEX) westbound on Queen at the Don, That makes 83 cars in service.

NOTE: The car is now an 504 (504A) westbound on King near Queen. Taken 17 days to in service after arrival.

Expect to see 4483 in service come July 8, 17 days after arrival
 
Last edited:

drum118

Superstar
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 24, 2007
Messages
17,393
Reaction score
14,137
Location
Mississauga, where cars rule city growth
4487 is now tracking after been here 8 days and 4486 should be tracking next week since it only got delivery to the Barns on Tuesday this week, but off loaded on Friday.
 

Admiral Beez

Superstar
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 28, 2007
Messages
10,177
Reaction score
4,009
There been talk that the existing system would be rebuilt to standard gauge and larger radius.
I don’t think the gauge is the issue, that’s addressed by axle length. Turning radius is the greater challenge, which could be addressed by route changes. Toronto is laid out in a grid pattern, so straight routes shouldn’t be the exception.
 

dowlingm

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
3,810
Reaction score
1,652
I don’t think the gauge is the issue, that’s addressed by axle length. Turning radius is the greater challenge, which could be addressed by route changes. Toronto is laid out in a grid pattern, so straight routes shouldn’t be the exception.
I thought he meant Philly’s system. Toronto being a grid doesn’t help them?
 

drum118

Superstar
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 24, 2007
Messages
17,393
Reaction score
14,137
Location
Mississauga, where cars rule city growth
Got on an 504 today going Westbound at Broadview as a short turn to Dufferin Loop. There was a fare enforcer at each machine. Don't know why the need for short turn announcement early in the run, when the driver announce this car will be turning here where it turns and riders who want to go further will wait for the next car along the route.

By the looks of things, 4483 has fail testing either once, but more like twice as it has been out non stop testing with the odd trip to the Barns. it currently at the Barns and ready to go out for more testing.

4485 & 87 have yet to see any testing that I know of.

Dundas east-west traffic will be crossing Broadview come Monday as its complete.
 

crs1026

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Oct 16, 2014
Messages
7,602
Reaction score
11,998
There's one more Flexity that came into Toronto Saturday morning, likely 4489. That's it for deliveries until after the plant vacation and maintenance shutdown up north. Lots of time left to get Q3's cars all finished, however.

- Paul
 

drum118

Superstar
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 24, 2007
Messages
17,393
Reaction score
14,137
Location
Mississauga, where cars rule city growth
4485 being tested on 509 at this time.

4483 ready to leave the yard for more testing

4489 should be off loaded Monday or Tuesday

As for Q3 deliveries, lets see what is said at TTC meeting on Tuesday. Assuming 4487-89 will count toward those numbers, considering 4487 that was off loaded June 28.
 

nfitz

Superstar
Member Bio
Joined
Nov 10, 2007
Messages
24,603
Reaction score
5,108
Location
Toronto
As for Q3 deliveries, lets see what is said at TTC meeting on Tuesday. Assuming 4487-89 will count toward those numbers, considering 4487 that was off loaded June 28.
If you look at the report leading into that meeting, the TTC target is vehicles in service. Not vehicles delivered.

Sorry, I thought I'd mentioned this earlier.
 

EastYorkTTCFan

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Jun 5, 2015
Messages
3,454
Reaction score
1,236
Location
East York
Don't know why the need for short turn announcement early in the run, when the driver announce this car will be turning here where it turns and riders who want to go further will wait for the next car along the route.
The new cars have the short turn announcement on anytime that it deviates from a normal route.
 

Tulse

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Jan 28, 2010
Messages
2,382
Reaction score
448
I was down at Harbourfront this weekend, and noticed that the LRT cars are running on pantographs. Is this a relatively new thing? I wasn't aware that any Flexities (Flexitys?) were using pantographs in service.
 

drum118

Superstar
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 24, 2007
Messages
17,393
Reaction score
14,137
Location
Mississauga, where cars rule city growth
I was down at Harbourfront this weekend, and noticed that the LRT cars are running on pantographs. Is this a relatively new thing? I wasn't aware that any Flexities (Flexitys?) were using pantographs in service.
509 Pans been up since Sept 2017, with 510 starting in May 2018. 512 is the next line in Sept. 504 & 514 start in 2019
 

nfitz

Superstar
Member Bio
Joined
Nov 10, 2007
Messages
24,603
Reaction score
5,108
Location
Toronto
The new cars have the short turn announcement on anytime that it deviates from a normal route.
What's bizarre is, that the signage and announcement inside the car, says it's a short-turn, but doesn't say where.

After you notice, you have to go to the door, and hear what the outside announcement or signage say, to know where the short-turn is!
 

Top