Toronto Kipling Station Transit Hub | ?m | 2s | Metrolinx | SAI

[drum118]

In the worst case scenario, Islington(once Miway moves to Kipling) will have to do.

If TTC maintain the current vision, a new 3 bay terminal will be built next to CP corridor with a new entrance/exit with traffic light at the street across from it.

TTC is not going to run buses to Islington in place of Kipling since it's too costly to do so, as well adding extra buses to routes. The current terminal has to be torn down for safety reason. To deal with that safety reason, TTC could use the south platform 7 since it's not over the passage way.

TTC wants an office building to go where the current terminal is, but not going to happen to the point the whole parking lot and terminal will become residential towers with retail at the base, including a grocer store.

Bottom line, the subway needs to go to Cloverdale to allow TTC to deal with the lack of space for their buses, but also reduce the dead heading cost and time. The same thing would happen for both GO and miWay as well having room to expand.

 

[TransitBart]

So why is this simple one stop west-end subway extension not happening? It has all the right ingredients.

 

[drum118]

So why is this simple one stop west-end subway extension not happening? It has all the right ingredients.

Wrong part of the city to get votes.

 

[jys]

If TTC maintain the current vision, a new 3 bay terminal will be built next to CP corridor with a new entrance/exit with traffic light at the street across from it. TTC wants an office building to go where the current terminal is, but not going to happen to the point the whole parking lot and terminal will become residential towers with retail at the base, including a grocer store.

That is for Islington Station, correct?

 

[drum118]

That is for Islington Station, correct?

correct

 

[ShonTron]

Only three bays? That's interesting. The TTC operates three bus routes (37, 50, 110) out of Islington Station, and they always like to have at least one spare.

 

[drum118]

Only three bays? That's interesting. The TTC operates three bus routes (37, 50, 110) out of Islington Station, and they always like to have at least one spare.

There are to be the same as the current south end for platform 7 and easy to have a spare. It's still possible a 4th could be added if one of miWay routes gets extended to Islington based on the numbers that work in that area so riders don't have to pay 2 fares to go one stop.

 

[toaster29]

How would that work? Would MiWay just have a bus operating from Kipling to Islington (and back)? Technically, you can't board a MiWay bus in Toronto (if you are also getting off in Toronto), so essentially you would still be required to send every MiWay bus to Islington if MiWay is offering the service to Islington.

 

[drum118]

How would that work? Would MiWay just have a bus operating from Kipling to Islington (and back)? Technically, you can't board a MiWay bus in Toronto (if you are also getting off in Toronto), so essentially you would still be required to send every MiWay bus to Islington if MiWay is offering the service to Islington.

One of the current route would run to Islington like it does today with no pickup in Toronto. It could be an 101 or 26.

My recommendation would be 26 as well 101/1, since they service 2 different roads. As per my business case, miWay takes over TTC route 50 and it would be allow to pickup and drop off in Toronto like a TTC bus and deals with one route and leaves 101/1 to do Dundas like today.

You are allow to get on miWay or YRT buses in Toronto when leaving the city. Toronto has the power to change that at anytime as well coming into Toronto.

 

[interchange42]

December City Council passed a motion by DiCiano to study putting in a parking deck at Kipling to handle commuter parking that can no longer fit at Islington since some of its spaces have been lost to development.

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[AlvinofDiaspar]

December City Council passed a motion by DiCiano to study putting in a parking deck at Kipling to handle commuter parking that can no longer fit at Islington since some of its spaces have been lost to development.

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What a retrograde tool wasting staff time.

AoD

 

[muller877]

December City Council passed a motion by DiCiano to study putting in a parking deck at Kipling to handle commuter parking that can no longer fit at Islington since some of its spaces have been lost to development.

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If they want to add more parking they could instead look to:

(1) sell the Kipling parking lots north of the station to a developer and in return receive ownership of a number of underground spots in the new development;
(2) Expand the GO parking lot to the east (grassy area with a number of hydro poles they would have to work around); and
(3) as part of the street reconfiguration and new Etobicoke municipal building include parking for the TTC

A parking deck seems unnecessarily expensive for the goal

 

[innsertnamehere]

If a structured parking spot costs $35k to construct, it would take an average revenue of about $4 a day per parking spot to finance it. How realistic that is, who knows. Current Kipling weekday rate is $6, but a new structure likely wouldn't be 100% occupancy and weekends need to be considered, plus the TTC would likely take more than $35k/spot to build it.

 

[Amare]

This is an example of how backwards thinking this city is. I mean really, did they not anticipate how much demand there is for parking at these two stations? Yes I realize the TTC is trying to get out of the parking business, but this city really has to use some common sense sometimes. If you get rid of parking, that means you are trying to get people to use buses instead to reach the station, thus the TTC would have to increase service with more buses. As a result, they would need more buses, which in turn means they would need more garage space to service the vehicles since there is already a garage shortage. Not to mention that some customers would forgo the TTC altogether since they wouldnt be willing to take buses at all. Altogether, you would get a situation where there would be lost revenue, along with a potential significant cost increase.

If the city actually thought things through they would see which option is truly the cheaper one, but unfortunately they are so shortsighted they dont see these things. There are cases where, yes it makes sense to get rid of parking but in the case with Islington and Kipling, it really doesnt unless they are monetizing those assets. And just like what was said above, if they are looking to monetize assets they should have reached an agreement with whichever developer to included parking spaces for TTC customers.

 

[crs1026]

If you get rid of parking, that means you are trying to get people to use buses instead to reach the station, thus the TTC would have to increase service with more buses.

The bus infrastructure is affordable. What will be painful is all those cars adding volume to the new Six Points roadways once the cloverleaf is torn out. Not bringing one's car to the subway is indeed the way of the future.

I know so many people who work downtown, and totally embrace the subway to get there .... but..... won't take the bus to Kipling. They fully expect to drive to the subway. This is Ford country, after all.

Many of these folks live up around where the Eglinton LRT is going in and are equally uninterested in taking it to Line 1, either. A big part of the problem is that those suburbs are so spread out that the walk from the average home to the arterial bus route is long and winding. Community buses are the answer up that way.

Not to mention that some customers would forgo the TTC altogether since they wouldnt be willing to take buses at all.

Most are headed downtown. If they want to drive, just stay on Kipling to the Gardiner, fine. Let's see how that works for them.

- Paul