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Spadina Subway Extension

"But if a skytrain can travel much faster would it not be better, unless streetcars can do 80 km/h or something."

Well, as I already stated, I'm not proposing a streetcar, I'm proposing a modern LRT. But for the record, the max speed of Toronto's streetcars is 113 km/h (70 mph). This compares to:

Max speeds:
Vancouver Skytrain - 80 km/h
T1 Subway Train - 88 km/h
Minneapolis Bombardier LRT - 88 km/h
Rotterdam's new trams - 100 km/h
CLRV Streetcar - 113 km/h
GO Bilevel Coach - 135 km/h
 
"Really!!!!! 50,000 the first day........I think not. You may get this in 2 years and that pushing it.
100,000 maybe in 10 years and that is going out on the limb."

Actually, the very first day will be well over 50,000 because so many people will want to try it out. Remember that this thing won't be open until, what, 2015? 2018? The Finch West bus alone could add 30,000 rides a day, and Vaughan will have a population of over 700 million people by then.
 
Yes I know there will be more riders on the first day as well that week, as these extra riders are out to checkout the new extension, but they are in for a let down.

The rail fan seat at the front of the train will be gone on opening day as the new subway train will be in service by then and they have no front windows. >: No one will get a chance to see what the tunnel section looks like, like they can now as the cab of the new train will be blocking the view for various reasons. (Splat) Only the station can be view.

(and Vaughan will have a population of over 700 million people by then.) :lol :rollin , 700 million by 2015-18?? Look’s like the world will be move in up there over the next 10-13 years and this increase will support not only this extension, but all subway existing now and as well future ones. They all will make profit for TTC to build more lines as well major improvement for the whole GTA area.

Yes I do read TTC surface report as to headway and ridership. I have hard copies of them also.

By doing so, it tells me where the problems are as well who should be first top ten spots.

If you read the monthly reports, you can see what routes need a major overhaul and what can be done to them. Not having express buses at the same fare on those route is an issue by it's self in the first place.

Only the BD and Yonge line are in the right place as well having the ridership demand for those lines in the first place.

What routes should be upgrade for subways first has never been follow since the 20's.

The Queen underpass has never been built considering it has been call for since day one when the talking of building a subway in Toronto and there is a station for it now under the Yonge line. Between King and Queen, over 100,000 riders use these route and this does not include the ones who gave up on these routes because they walk their travel route faster than take the streetcars or gone back to the car.
 
Proposal to house archives gets boost from subway plan
Higher ridership is one selling point of York U site
Extension seen as key to its chances of winning project
Mar. 14, 2006. 01:00 AM
ROBERT BENZIE
QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU CHIEF

A proposal to house the province's $400-million archives collection at York University is being given a boost by planned subway development.

Sources say one of the selling points for the York University site is that it would increase the ridership on the planned $1.5 billion extension of the Spadina subway line.

Thousands of people visit the archives every year and officials hope the new building will become a destination of choice for researchers and others interested in Ontario's heritage.

The 90,000 square-foot facility, expected to be completed early in 2009, will boast public reading rooms, conservation labs, archival processing areas and administrative offices.

No price tag for the new building has yet been made public, but government officials privately say it should be in the $25 million to $50 million range.

The Star has reported that Finance Minister Dwight Duncan is expected to announce in the March 23 budget that the province will help fund the 6.2 kilometre extension of the Spadina line from Downsview station through the York campus and ending at Steeles Ave. inside the Vaughan border.

The project, which is likely to include federal funding in the form of infrastructure investment from Ottawa, would add five subway stations to the Toronto Transit Commission system.

That extension is seen as key to York's chances of winning the archives' project over three competitors. The other competitors are the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, Union Pearson Group Inc., and Woodcliffe Corporation and Westdale Constructions Co. Ltd. The deadline for proposals is May 1.

York is calling for proposals to develop a 1.6 acre site on the university's Keele campus. Its call for proposals suggests the site has been shortlisted for the archives and that the site "is adjacent to the proposed subway stop for the Spadina subway extension to York region."

Government Services Minister Gerry Phillips insisted no decision has been made on the archives.

"The selection will be on the basis of who of those four have the best long-term plan for the archives," Phillips said in an interview.

"This is now home for them for the next 100 years, I suspect. It's a big long-term decision."

Controversy has swirled for years around the search to find a new storage facility for the millions of historical documents, some of which date to the 17th century.

The archives are now housed near Queen's Park in a cramped rented building on Grenville St., where mould has been slowly destroying the precious paperwork. Estimates have suggested the decay is causing the archives to lose their value at a rate of $13 million a year.

Last May 31, the public reading area of the archives was closed to the public over concerns the privately owned building might collapse due to cracked columns on the second floor. Engineers found that the building was not in danger of falling down, but the episode underscored the need for a new facility.

Included in the collection are about 200 watercolours painted by Elizabeth Simcoe, wife of John Graves Simcoe, Upper Canada's first lieutenant governor.
 
The rail fan seat at the front of the train will be gone on opening day as the new subway train will be in service by then and they have no front windows. No one will get a chance to see what the tunnel section looks like, like they can now as the cab of the new train will be blocking the view for various reasons. (Splat) Only the station can be view.
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I'm sure there will still be plenty of T-1 trains operating if/when this extension gets built - it's not going to take thatlong to build!
 
Cost of a token now is $2 and in 10 years it will be $3.50-$4.50 if not more.
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Ideally by that time there will be a fair zonal system in place in which the maximum fare you can pay on the TTC would be in the $4.00 range. That's more than reasonable if you're travelling right accross the city. For short trips, the fare should stay around $2.00.
 
The main landuse advantages of this line seem to be that because it is so hostile, low-density and auto-oriented it can only get better.
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That's the best summary I've heard.

Maybe there's even a better option than to York -- are there any completely barren areas nearby, that we can build a subway line to and start from scratch?

If there is a 100,000 riders for this extension, how do you justify spending $1.5 Billion for this extension compare to $300 million for an LRT Line which still handle more riders in the first place?
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Also a great point that is largely ignored in this thread.

Sources say one of the selling points for the York University site [for Ontario Archives] is that it would increase the ridership on the planned $1.5 billion extension of the Spadina subway line.
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If the archive was built at the airport then Blue22 would get a boost... or if in Thunder Bay, the province's regional airlines would benefit. What kind of retards are running this province?
 
TTC plans to put the new Subway train on the YUS first since they will be ATO and the track new signal system for the whole line should be finishes by then. If T1 are use, they will be for the short turns.

It will take 7 years to build this line and the current EA has yet to be sent for approval. The approval will take 3-6 months if there is no major issuses. Then it become a money issue since Toronto does not have the money to fund TTC now to the point it delaying the rebuilding of the CLVR's and buying new LRT's.

It will be a year at the earlest before Council will approve or not approve a budget for TTC calling for $100 million out of the $500 million that the city has to put up before design work can start as well buying a tunnel boring machine.

Buying new LRT's as well additional buses has to done first, before the subway since they are due for replament starting 2008-2011. You are looking at about $800 million for the replacement of the 196 CLRV's and $100 million for 200 additional buses plus $60 million for a new garage. Also, you need tho hire 300 drivers for the new buses.

As it stands now, I see a TTC budget of $1.5 year for the next 10 years to build this extension, the replacement of the SRT, 300 new LRT's to replace the current fleet of 256, Waterfront extension, York BRT, Yonge ROW, Don Mill ROW, 200-300 additional buses, replacement of 600 existing buses, 500 new drivers, Kingston/Eglinton LRT with ROW, Sheppard line extended to Meadowvale, new bus garage, new LRT garage as well upgrading the 2 existing ones, upgrading TTC system its self just to state some of the things that needs to be done now that cost big bucks.

That is a total of $15 billion and TTC is lucky to get $1 billion a year now leaving a short fall of $5 billion.

All the new Subway train are to be in service by 2011 with the first one in 2009.

If the city is still short for funding TTC for 2007-2010, what part of TTC do you want to see cut or go without for this expansion?

Are you prepare to pay $.15-$.25 fare increase per year for the next 10 years to cover this expansion? Cost of a token now is $2 and in 10 years it will be $3.50-$4.50 if not more.

I am not and I speak for the ones who have no voice in the first place who also will say no.
 
The best thing about the extension to Steeles West is that after it starts construction there is one less subway line the city can focus on extending. I don't think any more advantageous lines built through denser and more central parts of the city are going to be looked at until the Spadina line hits Steeles and the Danforth and Sheppard lines end at SCC. The DRL wasn't even studied in the Rapid Transit Expansion Study.
 
Sources say one of the selling points for the York University site [for Ontario Archives] is that it would increase the ridership on the planned $1.5 billion extension of the Spadina subway line.
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If the archive was built at the airport then Blue22 would get a boost... or if in Thunder Bay, the province's regional airlines would benefit. What kind of retards are running this province?
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One of the problems with York is that it plans to take what previously existed in a section of a building and spread it out on a 1.6 acre campus site (like the tennis centre) complete with its own surface parking lot. York recieved a lot of land from the government many years ago and is quickly squandering it. Until it learns to use its land as if it has value it will be hard to create a compact pedestrian friendly part of the city which would one day justify a 1.5 billion transit investment.
 
$670 million through a Move Ontario Trust to Toronto and York Region, enabling them to extend the subway to the Vaughan Corporate Centre at Highway 7.
 
They're going to have to start talking Scarborough soon enough. Assuming the subway starts construction now, it'll be operation by 2010, 2011. Four years later, the Scarborough RT will reach the end of its lifespan.
 
Today's budget included $1 million towards and enviromental assessment for the Scarborough subway.

It is definitely on the provincial radar screen.
 
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