doady
Senior Member
If you think about it, Transit City can easily be altered to fit in subways (and BRT) and still keep the cost at $6 billion.
For example, considering the projected costs of the individual projects, getting rid of the Malvern, Sheppard and Eglinton East LRT lines, plus cancelling the reconstruction and extension of the Scarborough RT, there surely would be enough money (over $2 billion!) for the completion of the Sheppard East and Danforth subways.
The money that would be spent on the Finch, Jane and Don Mills LRT lines (a whopping $2 billion!) could instead be used to build a significant part of the DRL, possibly all of it, which by itself would cover some of the territory of these LRT lines anyways. Finch would be better off with BRT anyways, imo...
Eglinton West LRT could remain as is (though it must be completely grade-separate!) and the Waterfront West LRT is a good plan too.
And there you go, Doady's Revised Transit City, with a cost that is still around $6 billion, but also includes subways and BRT and will actually solve some of the problems of the TTC instead of making them worse.
Well the Picadilly (sp?) Line from Heathrow Airport in London comes pretty close in terms of the amount of stations, and the actual distance is greater. But yes I agree subways should not go too far out and regional rail should be the main focus for suburbs, though Paris is probably not a good example considering the extreme division between suburbs and inner city there. I'm sure you've heard about the riots...
For example, considering the projected costs of the individual projects, getting rid of the Malvern, Sheppard and Eglinton East LRT lines, plus cancelling the reconstruction and extension of the Scarborough RT, there surely would be enough money (over $2 billion!) for the completion of the Sheppard East and Danforth subways.
The money that would be spent on the Finch, Jane and Don Mills LRT lines (a whopping $2 billion!) could instead be used to build a significant part of the DRL, possibly all of it, which by itself would cover some of the territory of these LRT lines anyways. Finch would be better off with BRT anyways, imo...
Eglinton West LRT could remain as is (though it must be completely grade-separate!) and the Waterfront West LRT is a good plan too.
And there you go, Doady's Revised Transit City, with a cost that is still around $6 billion, but also includes subways and BRT and will actually solve some of the problems of the TTC instead of making them worse.
We need to ask ourselves what is the logical point where subways should end and higher-speed solutions should take over? Paris is hardly a great example, but their subways hardly leave the 87 km2 central city. Toronto by comparison is 630 km2. The subway line that travels furthest from the central city (by my measure), line 8, is 17 stops from Bastille. Square One would be at least 24 stops from Yonge-Bloor. I've looked at the maps of all the major European systems, and not a single one has a line that subjects a passenger to 24 stops to the city centre, and I challenge anyone to find me one.
Well the Picadilly (sp?) Line from Heathrow Airport in London comes pretty close in terms of the amount of stations, and the actual distance is greater. But yes I agree subways should not go too far out and regional rail should be the main focus for suburbs, though Paris is probably not a good example considering the extreme division between suburbs and inner city there. I'm sure you've heard about the riots...