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Moose Rail (National Capital Region)


Yes. See: https://www.letsgomoose.ca/wp-content/uploads/moose-westquebecpost_2017-06-16.pdf

More news on this other case very shortly.

The Ottawa Citizen and the Ottawa SUN (same owner) have declined to report the whole story.

Joseph Potvin
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Just up at the Globe and Mail:
China-focused firm invests in Ottawa-area commuter rail plan
BILL CURRY

OTTAWA — The Globe and Mail

PublishedSunday, Jul. 16, 2017 8:11PM EDT

Last updatedSunday, Jul. 16, 2017 8:42PM EDT

A Toronto-based condo developer that specializes in attracting Chinese capital for Canadian real estate is investing in a controversial proposal for a privately run commuter rail network throughout the National Capital Region.

Toronto’s LeMine Investment Group – which has developed condos in Toronto and Ajax – has agreed to spend $5-million on a 120-day study of the merits of a proposed 400-kilometre regional rail network that would connect several small communities outside Ottawa and Gatineau to the downtown core.

In an interview, LeMine chief executive officer Thomas Liu said what impressed him about the project is that it would provide supporting infrastructure that would benefit the public and be financed through the rising property values that would result from putting trains stations in outlying communities.

“It’s a perfect combination,” he said. “That’s what’s amazing about this project.”

Mr. Liu has described his company as having a mandate to be the international investment platform for Chinese capital. Moose Consortium Inc. – the group behind the rail plan – expects major international capital will follow if the study goes well.

Mr. Liu’s name came up on the floor of the House of Commons in November, when the NDP raised his attendance at a small $1,500 Liberal Party fundraiser in Toronto to meet with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. The questions were in the context of the cash-for-access controversy that led the Liberals to introduce reforms for campaign fundraising. Mr. Liu declined to discuss the fundraiser in an interview two weeks ago.

Mr. Trudeau and his government are actively encouraging large-scale foreign investment in Canadian infrastructure.

Moose has been promoting its regional commuter rail idea for several years without any clear sign of traction until now. The first partner companies invested about $500,000 before the deal with LeMine Investment Group. The new partnership also involves a company called Consortia NA, which facilitates private infrastructure projects.

Joseph Potvin, the director-general of Moose, says that if the study is positive, LeMine would at least double that amount for further analysis. Ultimately, the project envisions a $500-million private investment to establish the network, which would use refurbished existing rail lines.

The Moose team says other international investors are prepared to support the project if the initial study is positive. The study is being conducted by Opus International Consultants and Remisz Consulting Engineers Ltd.

The proponents are asking the federal government to endorse the plan, but are not seeking any public money.

The business case is built on capitalizing on the increase in property values that would result from new commuter rail service.

Because the project would cross an interprovincial bridge, Moose says a rarely used section of the Constitution would exempt it from provincial regulation, meaning it would need only federal approval to go ahead.

The plan includes six rail lines that all meet just west of downtown Ottawa at the Prince of Wales Bridge, which opened in 1881 and is not currently in use. On the Ontario side, a western line would run to Arnprior, a southern line would reach Smith Falls and an eastern line would go to Alexandria. On the Quebec side, the plan would serve Bristol to the west, Wakefield to the north and Montebello to the east. All lines would have other stops along the way.

The lines extend much further than the City of Ottawa’s existing plans for a light rail network. The Moose network would primarily serve people who live outside the City of Ottawa.

The project faces many hurdles, including the fact that Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson does not appear to be interested.

“Mayor Watson has not seen or been made aware of a viable proposal from Moose,” said Livia Belcea, the mayor’s spokesperson. Moose appears to have irritated City of Ottawa officials by asking the Canadian Transportation Agency to rule that the city was wrong to remove some track leading up to the Prince of Wales Bridge.

“The [Moose] consortium appears to have no running stock, financing or any of the other indicia of a rail company,” City of Ottawa solicitor Rick O’Connor wrote in a terse e-mail to council members on June 28 in relation to the dispute. The e-mail was sent before Moose secured the LeMine financing.

Mr. Liu, the LeMine CEO, said he would expect the project would begin with two or three stations to demonstrate how the business model would work.

“I see this project as a long-term project,” he said. “I don’t think we are able to develop all of these [communities] within even the next 10 years.”

Liberal MP Greg Fergus, who represents the Quebec riding of Hull-Aylmer across the river from Parliament Hill, said the new investor interest is “exciting” news that changes the way Moose’s proposal should be perceived.

“At a half million dollars, it might not be very credible. At $5-million, it’s all of a sudden a lot more credible,” he said. “And if the market studies that are funded by the private sector come out and say, ‘Yes, this is well worth doing,’ and they’re willing to bankroll several hundred million dollars, then the credibility is already there.”

While some critics of the MOOSE project say it would encourage urban sprawl, Mr. Fergus said it can be good for the environment if people live in densely built suburbs with commuter rail within walking distance.

“It brings so many good things from a health perspective, from an economic perspective,” he said.

Mr. Fergus said behind-the-scenes talks are progressing about linking the City of Ottawa and Gatineau transit systems by rail, likely over the Prince of Wales Bridge, which the city owns, but those discussions have not included talk of Moose’s proposal.

“I think all these projects can live together,” he said. “The wonderful thing about trains is you can schedule them.”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...tawa-area-commuter-rail-plan/article35703736/

Comment on this later...but for now, note:
[Liberal MP Greg Fergus, who represents the Quebec riding of Hull-Aylmer across the river from Parliament Hill, said the new investor interest is “exciting” news that changes the way Moose’s proposal should be perceived.]

There's more depth to that than is initially apparent.
 
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Good article, pleased to see some balanced reporting on Moose
This is more than just about Moose, although Moose *appear* to be the vanguard. It's the *off-shore investor trend* that the Libs were cultivating, and now it's happening in a more prominent way. This scenario extrapolates to VIA's HFR too.

Note one of the other headline stories at the Globe today: (this has gone viral in business circles, been re-quoted by a number of biz articles)

Forget nationality: It’s what foreign investors do in Canada that matters.
Canada should be agnostic about the nationality of foreign investors, while maintaining strict oversight of corporate behaviour inside its borders. Bad corporate actors are just as likely to be Canadian as foreign.

I'll post excerpts later, still digesting some other news stories surrounding this.

Edit to Add: From Bill Curry's piece:
[Mr. Liu has described his company as having a mandate to be the international investment platform for Chinese capital. Moose Consortium Inc. – the group behind the rail plan – expects major international capital will follow if the study goes well.]

I'm privy to a bit more info on that...Curry was characteristically conservative stating that (as is his wont as a very credible journalist). I'm led to believe that 'depth' of available capital is 'massive'. (Perhaps larger than the Cdn pension funds). I'm loathe to venture stating any more than that at this time until having reference I can quote.

*Apparently* the next challenge for the Libs, now they've invoked and enticed this capital, is to 'get out in front' of it, and try and shape the investment in a way that fits their politically perceived sensibilities. This brings discussion about the Infrastructure Bank back into view. Some investors are going to go right around it, invest directly, and then have every right, as Bombardier is doing right now (REM, for instance) to sole source their own suppliers. How's that Chinese acquisition of that rail company in the Maritimes coming along there? They can assemble kits from offshore as well as others can, and perhaps even do it on time and budget too!

With a raving Trump south of the border, and segments in Canada displaying same, the spectre of "The Yellow Menace (Peril)" is inevitably going to be raised. It's happened already with the oil patch, in all fairness, part of that was attributable to being "sovereign funds", not private. And it was under Harper's watch.

Some recent events to ponder:
China eager to bring bullet train expertise to Canada - The Globe and ...
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/china-eager...train.../article22754716/
Feb 2, 2015 - High-speed rail in Canada would take many years to come to fruition – and ... Chinese rail companies have been active, and often successful, ...

How China built a global rail behemoth that's leaving Western train ...
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/...business/...business/...china...rail...train.../article3527...
Jun 9, 2017 - For Bombardier and other Western rail giants, the Chinese market was a huge ... as crossing Canada five times by car between Vancouver and Halifax. ... Here, in a former Canadian National Railway Co. maintenance shop, ...

Chinese engineers endorse plans for $2-billion rail line to Ring of Fire ...
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/chinese...rail.../article29684695/
Apr 19, 2016 - China's state-owned rail companies are aggressively eyeing ... In Canada, the Ontario government is currently studying how to deliver on a ...

High-speed rail in Ontario, finally? Not so fast - Canada - CBC News
www.cbc.ca/news/canada/high-speed-rail-in-ontario-finally-not-so-fast-1.4123920
May 19, 2017 - China's CRH high-speed trains sit on tracks at a maintenance base in ... and Canadian Pacific Railway, which are private freight companies.

Ring of Fire rail investment could be 'real prize' for China, business ...
www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/ring-of-fire-china-rail-1.3545642
Apr 21, 2016 - Seven engineers from China Rail, along with officials from KWG ... regulations ensure that foreign companies play by Canadian rules.
 
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I'm privy to a bit more info on that...Curry was characteristically conservative stating that (as is his wont as a very credible journalist). I'm led to believe that 'depth' of available capital is 'massive'. (Perhaps larger than the Cdn pension funds). I'm loathe to venture stating any more than that at this time until having reference I can quote.

Are you privy to it because you're voluntarily advocating for Moose and attending meetings, or are you working for them? Just curious.
 
In the meantime we are counting on the City of Ottawa to conform with the Constitution of Canada. and with the Canada Transportation Act.

What's the timing for when the CTA is going to rule? Sometime this summer?

We also think it is entirely reasonable to expect the City of Ottawa Council to respect what their own professional staff, consultants and focus-group participants recommended in the 2013 Interprovincial Transit Strategy. And that's consistent with what their transit professionals have been recommending all the way back to the original plan of the O-Train, which was to operate through to Gatineau. https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/745-r-2000 The federal Certificate of Fitness that the O-Train operates under today still states that it goes to Quebec.

Sure, in an ideal world it would be great if elected municipal Councils, Cabinet, MPPs etc always listened to the professional and evidence-based advice of staff. But there are lots of example in Ontario transit planning where that hasn't happened. Brampton Council did not follow Brampton staff's advice (although some believe staff's advice was wrong), Toronto Council and cabinet did not follow staff's advice on the LRT vs subway matter, and cabinet dictated to Metrolinx that UP Express had to be revenue neutral which meant Metrolinx had to charge higher fares.
 
How's that Chinese acquisition of that rail company in the Maritimes coming along there?
There's some excellent articles in the Cdn press on this, but take a look at this from Sino eyes:
CRRC to build plant in Canada
By ZHONG NAN in Beijing and LIU MINGTAI in Changchun | China Daily | Updated: 2017-05-05 07:42
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China Railway Rolling Stock Corp, the country's railway vehicle and equipment manufacturer and exporter, announced on Thursday that it will build a plant in Canada to further expand its marketing channels in North America.

The train maker said in a statement that the new facility, located in Moncton in New Brunswick, will create more than 200 jobs in the first phase and generate more than $1 million in tax revenue for the local government annually. The plant is capable of manufacturing heavy load, special railway vehicles and railway vehicle brakes.

The plant was jointly set up by Sichuan-based CRRC Meishan Co Ltd, a freight train maker under CRRC, Moncton-based ARS Canada Rolling Stock Inc, a local railcar manufacturer and service supplier, and a CRRC subsidiary in Hong Kong. They gained approval from the Canadian government in June 2016.

CRRC said the establishment of this facility will enhance its market presence in North America. However, the company's headquarters in Beijing did not disclose the total investment amount and designed manufacturing capacity.

The new company's main business is to carry out sales of cargo trains, research and development work for freight trains that can be operated in North America, as well as manufacturing freight trains including open-top wagons, covered wagons, tankers and flat cars.

The statement said that CRRC's long-term goal is to assemble freight trains and provide after-sale services to clients in Canada.

"Canada is rich in commodity goods including copper ore, nickel ore, iron ore, petroleum, wheat, soybean and other agricultural products. It is a good growth point for Chinese cargo train manufacturers to carry out a localization strategy in the country," said Feng Hao, a rail transportation researcher at the National Development and Reform Commission.

Feng said as CRRC's other subsidiaries such as CRRC Qingdao Sifang Co Ltd and CRRC Changchun Co Ltd have built manufacturing facilities in Illinois and Massachusetts to produce passenger trains in the United States, so it is possible for its Canadian facility to supply cargo trains to the markets in the US sooner or later.

CRRC Meishan so far has shipped more than 5,000 freight trains to the global market. It also produces special vehicles for clients in resource-rich countries such as Australia and Argentina.

Pan Shuping, general manager of CRRC Meishan, said it is necessary to conduct research and development in fast-growing markets such as Southeast Asia, Africa and Latin America, because they have different standards in railway infrastructure and services.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2017-05/05/content_29211728.htm

Is Jim Watson ready for this? All well and good to preach "Free Trade with the World" while denying exactly that in Ottawa's backyard. Canadians had best walk the talk...

Or live in the past.
 
Are you privy to it because you're voluntarily advocating for Moose and attending meetings, or are you working for them? Just curious.
Neither. I'm just up on events, connected, and have been for generations.

But there are lots of example in Ontario transit planning where that hasn't happened
You missed the reference to the fact that *City of Ottawa has no jurisdiction over this*. It's federal. That's been the central thrust of all the research posted here prior. That's why the requests for action were submitted to the CTA, and it ruled against the City of Ottawa. And absolute credit to Potvin.

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In the meantime we are counting on the City of Ottawa to conform with the Constitution of Canada. and with the Canada Transportation Act. When they don't, MOOSE expects the federal regulator to fulfill the intent of Parliament. See: http://ottawaconstructionnews.com/l...ing_wp_cron=1487725529.5092608928680419921875

I can't overemphasize that there are certain particulars unique so far to the O-Train ('waivers', in effect) but Potvin's actions spearhead the imposition of Federal Law where it hadn't been done for generations. Transport Canada may not be totally responsible for obviously lax oversight (and no shortage of examples of that), but it's interesting that it takes an 'arm's length' org like the CTA to impose the law where TC hasn't.

Unlike OBR, for instance, which is provincially regulated, Capital Rail is clearly federal, and neither the Province or City of Ottawa have any *legal* say other than what is deemed in Federal Acts.

This enforcement of the law heralds a change that the Minister of Transport is going to have to force Transport Canada to conform to, as they should have been doing for the last few generations. Prior to that, the Feds were more willing to impose the laws on the books.

Canadian Transportation Agency
The Canadian Transportation Agency is an independent, quasi-judicial tribunal and economic regulator. It makes decisions and determinations on a wide range of matters involving air, rail and marine modes of transportation under the authority of Parliament, as set out in the Canada Transportation Act and other legislation.

We are a federal institution that is part of the Transport and Infrastructure portfolio.
https://www.canada.ca/en/transportation-agency.html
 
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Neither. I'm just up on events, connected, and have been for generations.

Thanks for clarifying.

You missed the reference to the fact that *City of Ottawa has no jurisdiction over this*. It's federal. That's been the central thrust of all the research posted here prior. That's why the requests for action were submitted to the CTA, and it ruled against the City of Ottawa. And absolute credit to Potvin.

I haven't missed that fact. Isn't that what the CTA ruling request is all about? Whether Ottawa had the jurisdiction to remove that small section of heavy-rail track? I'm looking at this through a political and power lens. The federal government has provided funding and Trudeau just did a big splashy press conference to announce it. The feds have said for countless other funding announcements that they won't tell municipalities how to spend the federal money. They will follow what the municipality wants. So on one hand, the federal government has provided funding, but on the other, the CTA is being asked to make a ruling. The timing of the ruling will be interesting. I wonder if Watson has already told local MPs to support him. I wonder if the feds are not worried about the CTA or jurisdictional issues and just want shovels in the ground on the Council-approved plan? Given how long the federal jurisdictional issue has been on the table, isn't the funding announcement a sign that they don't care or aren't worried about it?

Hypothetical scenarios:

1) If the CTA rules in favour of the City of Ottawa this summer, the momentum remains with Watson and Council to go to the RFP stage.

2) If Ottawa looses, can they appeal? Will this go to the courts? Will the feds then get cold feet and realize they do have to slow things down and wait for the jurisdictional issues to be worked out which would thereby slow down the RFP stage? I note that one of the reasons for the delay in the Toronto-York Spadina Subway Extension (TYSSE) was the challenge actually getting the funding from the feds and province after the subway was announced. Some reports put the delay up to one year.

Funding Approvals The time to obtain funding approvals and start-up for the project took longer than expected (approximately one year from funding announcement). This resulted in an implementation schedule that did not include sufficient float to compensate for unforeseen conditions or contractor delays.
Source (page 9).

I wonder how much lobbying of the Feds is happening behind the scenes given this passage in the Globe article:

Mr. Liu’s name came up on the floor of the House of Commons in November, when the NDP raised his attendance at a small $1,500 Liberal Party fundraiser in Toronto to meet with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. The questions were in the context of the cash-for-access controversy that led the Liberals to introduce reforms for campaign fundraising. Mr. Liu declined to discuss the fundraiser in an interview last week.
 
Limited time here, just rushing out, but quick answers:
Isn't that what the CTA ruling request is all about? Whether Ottawa had the jurisdiction to remove that small section of heavy-rail track?
That's a very small part of it, symptomatic of *denying Constitutional (read Legal) rights* to others. It involves far more than just a segment of track.

The feds have said for countless other funding announcements that they won't tell municipalities how to spend the federal money. They will follow what the municipality wants.
So they can break the Law? I think not...

I wonder if Watson has already told local MPs to support him.
Watson is the Mayor. He can go diddle himself. The man is now seriously tactically injured politically, and his *^%&( city solicitor. You don't appear to realize the gravity of what's occurred. I suggest reading what Potvin has written, he's a more patient and focused man than myself. As for the "local MP"...at least the one from the north shore, he's following the Party line, and that's now going to be more apparent than ever since Watson has had his legs broken. I'm sure Watson will try and appeal the ruling (it is a tribunal, and as such can be appealed to a Federal Court...the pertaining Act states the court of recourse, maybe even Supreme), but he'll get his legs broken permanently if he does. He'd be better off accepting the ruling as it stands and comply. But I'm not Watson. Perhaps Sherlock can help?
Liberal MP Greg Fergus, who represents the Quebec riding of Hull-Aylmer across the river from Parliament Hill, said the new investor interest is “exciting” news that changes the way Moose’s proposal should be perceived.

“At a half million dollars, it might not be very credible. At $5-million, it’s all of a sudden a lot more credible,” he said. “And if the market studies that are funded by the private sector come out and say, ‘Yes, this is well worth doing,’ and they’re willing to bankroll several hundred million dollars, then the credibility is already there.”

While some critics of the MOOSE project say it would encourage urban sprawl, Mr. Fergus said it can be good for the environment if people live in densely built suburbs with commuter rail within walking distance.

“It brings so many good things from a health perspective, from an economic perspective,” he said.

Mr. Fergus said behind-the-scenes talks are progressing about linking the City of Ottawa and Gatineau transit systems by rail, likely over the Prince of Wales Bridge, which the city owns, but those discussions have not included talk of Moose’s proposal.

“I think all these projects can live together,” he said. “The wonderful thing about trains is you can schedule them.”
-Globe story linked and posted in full on this page

City of Ottawa has a gift horse staring at them. All of Canada does, why this is as difficult as pulling teeth is an interesting question. Sure this is the role of governments. Where are they? Where's the money? The Feds have wisely realized the *bulk of available capital is private* and best work with that than against it. That is how this nation was built. Some seem to lose sight of that. Don't like it? Then raise taxes and get things built that way. Ain't gonna happen.

Many other nations have realized private capital investment in rail is necessary to move the nation forward.

Does the privatization of CN Rail ring any bells?
 
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So they can break the Law? I think not...

Not suggesting the Feds are announcing funding that they knowingly think will go to a project that'll break the law. They either have confidential legal advice we're not aware of, don't think it's an issue, or will let the City decide how it's used.

Watson is the Mayor. He can go diddle himself. The man is now seriously tactically injured politically, and his *^%&( city solicitor. You don't appear to realize the gravity of what's occurred. I suggest reading what Potvin has written, he's a more patient and focused man than myself. As for the "local MP"...at least the one from the north shore, he's following the Party line, and that's now going to be more apparent than ever since Watson has had his legs broken. I'm sure Watson will try and appeal the ruling (it is a tribunal, and as such can be appealed to a Federal Court...the pertaining Act states the court of recourse, maybe even Supreme), but he'll get his legs broken permanently if he does. He'd be better off accepting the ruling as it stands and comply. But I'm not Watson. Perhaps Sherlock can help?

Interesting personal viewpoint. Realistically, and I'm not from Ottawa so others might have a better sense, he doesn't seem to have any strong opposition on Council (unlike what happened to the LRT plan in Brampton, or how close the Hamilton LRT vote is on Council) and seems to have the Council votes. He's also a former provincial Liberal cabinet Minister who just got federal funding. So, I don't see any evidence yet that he is politically compromised. He seems to be making the case that he wants to focus on the city he was elected to serve by doing Phase II first, and more extensions in later phases. Has the City of Hull submitted any formal plans? They seem to be a little silent in this situation.

Metaphorically, how has the Mayor had his legs broken? The CTA asked for more information. City Legal responded. As best I can tell there's no further update at this time.

Many other nations have realized private capital investment in rail is necessary to move the nation forward.
I'm not suggesting there can't be any role for the private sector in transit expansion, but have you read any of the analysis by the Star's Jennifer Pagliaro or transit advocate Steve Munro on John Tory's asserts about Smart Track and how it could be financed? It's relevant to the Moose proposal.

At the end of the day, transit in Canada needs an operational subsidy and the infrastructure is expensive. The private sector needs a return on investment. We'll see how the Ottawa situation plays out compared to the Smart Track situation in Toronto.
 
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I remain very skeptical. Apart from a connection across the Ottawa River on the Prince of Wales Bridge (which should have been figured out a long time ago) there's nothing that Moose is offering that buses can or already do. Many of the best commuting areas outside of Ottawa are not well served by any existing rail corridor; and without direct downtown access, what's the point?
 
I remain very skeptical. Apart from a connection across the Ottawa River on the Prince of Wales Bridge (which should have been figured out a long time ago) there's nothing that Moose is offering that buses can or already do. Many of the best commuting areas outside of Ottawa are not well served by any existing rail corridor; and without direct downtown access, what's the point?

Thank you for asking… the Moose proposition addresses a number of socially dynamic opportunities.

1st, Moose being private means that there is no requirement of taxpayer subsidy to initiate dependable passenger rail service across the region. (As we know some commuter/passenger rail is subsidized to the tune of 70% by the taxpayer).

2nd, Moose's plan calls for a “pay-what-you-want” fee for riding the rails. Some will say… good luck with that. Research has found that 93% do pay, and as the fees paid aren't used for rail service operations, the fees are used for value-added rider experience – the cost to ride should not present a barrier. Barrier-free service will assist those who attend university–allowing some students to remain at home, are less fortunate or on fixed income to utilize inexpensive dependable service to attend events, frequent regional visitation and access frequent appointments with doctors and clinics, improving the quality of life. Further, with a pay-what-you-want model should ensure that the option of train ridership should be maximized.

– 77.3% of people polled said that they would use Moose to commute to work/school.
– 76.1% of people would consider moving from a 2 vehicle family to a 1 vehicle family.
– 33.3% of those polled rank – reduce wasted time due to driving and traffic congestion – as number one consideration for using Moose's rail service.

And before you draw the ‘competitive with bus routes’ card, think of how bus services can retool to better serve the outlying communities by dropping them off at regional stations for commuting/passenger rail service. If there is a fast and efficient way for people to cut through an already congested road system into the City will they not prefer using rail over road? (again using bus linkages to move people in remote areas to get them to the rail corridor).

3rd, There has been a buzz about high-speed rail. One rail executive has addressed this with Moose. If we invest and work at getting High Speed from London, Toronto, Montreal, Quebec City or Windsor to Ottawa in rapid time, people are NOT going to want to take an inordinate amount of time to get to points outside of the Nation's Capital. Further, what better way to recover the investment taxpayers are making for the OLRT than to drop passengers off a linking stations. Each Moose train could theoretically drop of 600 passengers to ride the OLRT, not only quickly paying down the investment, but reducing carbon emissions and congestion within the city.

4th, Moose's plan also incorporates specialized rail cars that allow for the movement of bicycles, skis, kayaks and outdoor equipment to the outer regions of Canada's National Capital region as well as the waterways in and around the Nation's Capital for recreation–increasing access for the tourist and sports economies.

Finally (for now), Moose uses a series of 3 pre-existing lines (6 quoted in the Globe and Mail article), The Arnprior,ON–Montebello, QC line, the Wakefield, QC–Smiths Falls, ON line and the Bristol, QC–Maxville, ON line. There are roughly 16 municipalities that can be linked across these lines, but there are areas along the lines – if warranted – can be established as a “linked-locality” extending service within the existing network and again, if warranted can reach beyond the NCR or establish new linkages (albeit more difficult as new corridors would have to be established).

All in all, there are many aspects to the Moose Consortium plan that make use of a pre-existing rail network, that helps better serve the only Capital Cities in the free world without a regional rail plan, works to employ people immediately with good paying jobs across the NCR, helps to decrease Canada's carbon footprint and Ottawa's traffic congestion issues while granting improved transportation accessibility for those otherwise encumbered.

We hope to diminish skepticism and generate support for this innovative approach to transportation.

Cheers,

Peter Gabany of Limelight Advertising & Design is a founding member of the Moose Consortium
 
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Thank you for asking… the Moose proposition addresses a number of socially dynamic opportunities.

1st, Moose being private means that there is no requirement of taxpayer subsidy to initiate dependable passenger rail service across the region. (As we know some commuter/passenger rail is subsidized to the tune of 70% by the taxpayer).

So your assumption is that your fare revenue would match your expenses? Does the Moose plan contain further details on how this would be achieved? How would you avoid the UP Express experience (which is also diesel)?
 

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