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How does it compare to Summerhill?

Historically, Queens Quay was the preferred spot for licensees (restaurants and bars), with parking and location being a key reason.

QQ also has the highest sales (as of 2016), as per CBC.

Its top five selling stores are: the Queens Quay store in Toronto with $51.1 million in sales, the Summerhill store in Toronto with $47.2 million; the Rideau Street and King Edward Avenue store in Ottawa with $30.4 million; the Laird Drive and Eglinton Avenue East store with $29.3 million; and the store at Weston Road and Highway 7 in Woodbridge with $27.9 million.

When the Summerhill-North Toronto Station store was expanded and renovated in 2004, the LCBO planned on the location being the "flagship," but it was never able to match the revenue of Queens Quay.
 
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Why Ontarians can’t order booze directly from other provinces — and how some would like to end Canada’s liquor lockdown

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Ron Kubek already has a celebratory bottle picked out for the day he finds out he can sell his wine anywhere in the country.

He’ll open a sparkling wine — the Blanc de Noirs from his Elysia Vineyard in British Columbia’s Okanagan Valley. It’s one of his more popular bottles; Lightning Rock, the winery he owns, is doubling its production of the wine after selling out of it in July.

“That’s the one that we would like Canadians across the country to be able to use when they celebrate the end of the COVID or when they celebrate New Year’s,” he said. “We want them to be able to enjoy our sparkling.”

Kubek’s going to have to hold off on popping that cork for a while. In fact, at this point he says, it’s easier to ship that bottle of bubbly to London, England, than it is to send it to London, Ont.

That’s because, right now, there are only four provinces in the country that will allow Kubek to ship his bottles directly to consumers across provincial borders. Ontario and Quebec, two of the biggest markets in the country, are not among them.

But that could change if Kubek’s MP in the Okanagan has his way — potentially making brewers, winery owners and distillers from coast to coast a lot happier.

In December, Conservative MP Dan Albas, who represents the Central Okanagan-Similkameen-Nicola riding in B.C., tabled a bill he’s dubbed the “Buy, Sip and Ship” bill, more formally known as Bill C-260.

The bill seeks to overturn restrictions to shipping wine, beer and spirits from one part of the country to another. The goal, says Albas, is to allow reciprocal trade of alcohol throughout Canada, hopefully opening up new markets for smaller producers and providing them with a little relief from a coronavirus-inflicted economic slump.

“We are dealing with a real challenge with COVID,” he said. “Many of these small family wineries, craft breweries and distilleries have seen their foot traffic drop — there’s been no travel. Especially in my region, where we have so many people retired; people are not going to visit the local winery or the local brewery, because they’re afraid of COVID.”

That translates to low cash flow for businesses that often operate on fine margins, he says.

“I’ve heard directly from wineries, I’ve heard directly from craft breweries that they are in very, very dire straits,” said Albas. “So, giving them the opportunity to sell their products direct to Canadians increases their market massively.”
For a small-scale winemaker such as Kubek, increasing that market could make a huge difference. His operation has seven full-time employees and a couple of part-timers in the peak season. He produces about 2,500 cases of wine a year, giving him an annual revenue of about $500,000.

“For us, a big day would be $3,000 a day,” he said. “If someone buys three cases of wine, there’s 1,000 bucks.”

Opening up direct-to-consumer markets in six provinces, he estimates, could result in at least a 50 per cent increase in revenue — the difference between $500,000 and $750,000 a year.

The battle to open up the interprovincial liquor markets is long-running.

In 2012, a Gerard Comeau, a New Brunswick retiree who liked to pop over to Quebec to buy cheaper beer, was stopped and fined $292 for returning home with more than the province’s allowed 12 pints of beer — about 18 cans.

Comeau fought the charges, and what became known as the “free-the-beer” case went all the way to the Supreme Court.

In 2018, after a five-year legal battle, the country’s highest court ruled that provinces did have the right to limit the amount of alcohol that could be carried or shipped across their borders.

In June 2019, the federal government removed all federal restrictions on the interprovincial shipping of liquor. Provinces, however, are still entitled to govern the supply of liquor within their borders. The manner in which most provinces have chosen to do so has effectively resulted in barriers to shipping alcohol direct-to-consumer in most provinces.

Currently there are four provinces — Nova Scotia, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and B.C. — that will allow their residents to receive alcohol shipped direct-to-consumer from other provinces. So, if you’re in Winnipeg, you can order wine from the Niagara region and have it sent direct to you.

But that trade is not reciprocal. An alcohol producer in Manitoba cannot send their products direct to consumers in Ontario. In Ontario, as an example, there is no limit to the amount of alcohol that a person can bring in from another province — as long as it’s for personal consumption. But an Ontario resident cannot have out-of-province alcohol shipped from a producer to them direct.

Albas says that’s the fault of what he calls the “liquor monopolies.” He names the LCBO in Ontario and SAQ in Quebec specifically, but other provinces have similar government-run entities.

His bill takes a unique approach to the perceived problem — one that Sylvain Charlebois calls “a stroke of genius.”

Charlebois, a professor in the Agri-Food Analytics Lab at Dalhousie University in Halifax, sees both the timing and the target of Albas’s bill are inspired.

It would allow Canada Post to offer direct-to-consumer sales and delivery of out-of-province beverage alcohol.

Albas’s bill aims to change the behaviour of Canada Post. That, Charlebois says, makes the free trade of alcohol in the country a federal issue.

“He’s actually tackling a Crown corporation,” said Charlebois. “He’s trying to make the government accountable to Canadians, trying to get Parliament to fix this problem by using one of its Crowns.”

Also, said Charlebois, the tabling of the bill — in the midst of a COVID-19 pandemic — is timely, in that the use of e-commerce and the home delivery of items is far more prevalent.

“People are buying way more online, and supply chains are much more open and democratic now.

“If you’re a brewery, and you’re at the mercy of the LCBO, or SAQ or NSLC, all of a sudden, you have a marketplace that is attainable, that is reachable. You can reach out to consumers much more easily than just 10 months ago.”

If the bill were to pass, Canada Post would be able to transport alcohol anywhere in the country. If a brewer in Winnipeg wanted to send beer to a consumer in Toronto — which they could not do now — Canada Post would be able to make that delivery.

If the bill passed, provinces would have six months to opt out — to keep their borders closed to outside alcohol. But, according to Albas’s bill, doing so would mean that province’s alcohol producers would not be able to ship their products outside the province either. The premiers of those provinces would be forced to explain to the public that they were opting out and explain to their alcohol producers that they would no longer be able to ship their products to consumers outside the province.

“It’s the 21st century; everyone else is using home delivery and Canada Post is a safe and trusted carrier,” Albas said.

Charlebois says Albas’s bill will face stiff resistance. He recognizes that an Opposition member’s private member’s bill would not survive a rumoured spring election, and says provinces such as Ontario and Quebec would also be vehemently opposed.

“These corporations do generate a lot of revenues for the government and they don’t want to compromise that or risk anything at this point without knowing how revenues could be affected if borders open up,” he said.

According to Statistics Canada, in 2018-19, net income and other government revenue derived from the control and sale of alcoholic beverages amounted to $12.4 billion across the country.

An LCBO spokesperson referred questions to Ontario’s Ministry of Finance.

“Ontario is committed to enhancing the interprovincial trade of beverage alcohol in a way that works for consumers and businesses and is consistent and fair to Ontario producers and retailers,” said Finance spokesperson Scott Blodgett.

“In June 2019, the federal government removed restrictions on the interprovincial shipping of liquor but did not remove the province’s authority to regulate alcohol, possession and sale within its boundaries. Ontario is aware of the Private Member’s Bill and is following its progress.”
 
LCBO TO REMOVE RUSSIAN-PRODUCED PRODUCTS IN RESPONSE TO ATTACK ON UKRAINE

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February 25, 2022 – Toronto – The LCBO supports the Provincial and Federal governments in condemning Russia’s attack on Ukraine.

In addition to Canada’s sanctions against Russia, the Government of Ontario has sought LCBO’s support in opposition to Russian actions against Ukraine sovereignty.

Following government directive, effective immediately, all products produced in Russia will be removed from LCBO sales channels, including 679 LCBO stores across the province, lcbo.com and LCBO Convenience Outlets.

As LCBO wholesale customers, grocery stores and licensees make their own decisions about the availability of Russian products, however they will no longer be able to order these products until further notice. We will support our valued partners by accepting the return of any Russian-produced products.

The LCBO stands with Ukraine, its people, and the Ukrainian Canadian community here in Ontario.

Is the reason for no BC or Quebec wines in LCBO stores is because they invaded their neighbours?

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I used to buy craft beer from Vancouver in Buffalo NY, but i can't get the beer anywhere in the province of Ontario. Absolutely ridiculous how the LCBO/beer store screws us over. Time to end these monopolies.

Whatever the law might be, I’m observing wineries don’t really care and don’t obey it. I ordered several times from wineries outside of Ontario. Shipment was received within a couple of days. My favourite is Tidal Bay from Nova Scotia. https://grandprewines.com/collections/our-wines

I asked at the new LCBO at Lakeshore why they don’t sell wine from Nova Scotia. The guy said people in that province drinking their own wine. Nothing left to be shipped to Ontario. He said that in all seriousness!
 
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Whatever the law might be, I’m observing wineries don’t really care and don’t obey it. I ordered several time from wineries outside of Ontario. Shipment was received within a couple of days. My favourite is Tidal Bay from Nova Scotia. https://grandprewines.com/collections/our-wines

I asked at the new LCBO at Lakeshore why they don’t sell wine from Nova Scotia. The guy said people in that province drinking their own wine. Nothing left to be shipped to Ontario. He said that in all seriousness!

There is certainly enough stock of good Nova Scotia wine to give a few coverage at select LCBOs.

However, there is some truth in what you were told as well.

The LCBO's default minimum for a general (non-Vintages) listing is 10,000 cases (120,000 bottles)
I don't think there's a single wine from Nova Scotia of which that much is made.

The LCBO makes 2 exceptions to this rule, one is for Vintages and the other for VQA Ontario product. Though I'm fairly sure the odd VQA BC wine has made it through w/o the 10,000 case minimum.

That's not to defend LCBO policy which favours many established 'International Blends' made in Ontario over better 100% Ontario, BC, and NS wines.

Just to say, the LCBO's purchasing, as structured favours very large suppliers and that's a challenge.
 
The store at Gerrard and Ontario (if you thought the Jane/Dundas store was bad) has been closed for several weeks now, and is boarded up, awaiting redevelopment.

Brewers Retail might be slowly dying, but they’re cashing out huge on the Toronto store properties.
People don't recognize that many multi-site retail operators have become real estate holding companies that just sell stuff for cash flow. Even with some of those that are franchise operations, 'corporate' owns the real estate.
 
People don't recognize that many multi-site retail operators have become real estate holding companies that just sell stuff for cash flow. Even with some of those that are franchise operations, 'corporate' owns the real estate.

McDonald’s was one of the first to realize this, back when its strategy was to own the land its restaurants sit on, then collecting rent from the franchisees.
 
It makes sense for Brewers Retail to sell too as the province will more than likely terminate their contract once the current one runs out in, what, 2025? Ford has clearly decided to wait out the contract, but I see no reason as to why he would keep them around and not fulfill his original election pledge of opening up beer sales when the opportunity arises. I imagine most Beer Stores will shutter by then if they haven't already been redeveloped. The writing is on the wall.
 
It makes sense for Brewers Retail to sell too as the province will more than likely terminate their contract once the current one runs out in, what, 2025?

September 22, 2025. So yes; but with added specificity.

Ford has clearly decided to wait out the contract, but I see no reason as to why he would keep them around and not fulfill his original election pledge of opening up beer sales when the opportunity arises. I imagine most Beer Stores will shutter by then if they haven't already been redeveloped. The writing is on the wall.

A curious note though; nothing in the agreement with The Beer Store would preclude Ontario from further opening wine sales, which the government has thus far chosen not to do.
 

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