narduch
Senior Member
Is it really that difficult though? If the debt goes up in a year, you have a deficit. That's it.
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2018 Ontario Provincial Election Discussion
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BurlOak
Senior Member
steveintoronto
Superstar
It's nowhere near that simple. That must boggle simple minds, but there you go.
All comments from all Parties lack context, albeit that doesn't deter reactionaries from all sides playing fast and loose with plasticine figures. From the very linked reference you provide:
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/...berals-outlook-budget-watchdog_n_9728510.html
So how's that coming along there?
Anyone who gets their voting cues from headlines based on vapour with a few sprinkles of grit is only marginally more informed than the iGeneration.
All the business press have been doing in-depth articles of *all nations* of *all political persuasions* on this for generations.
How's that mortgage coming along on your house? Who owns it? You or the bank? Does the principle outweigh the interest and servicing costs? Then it's an asset.
THAT is what the huge accounting broo-ha is about. In the event, Canada does better than most nations on how it's shown on the books, but don't get me started. At the end of the day, it comes down to making the borrowed investment pay off multiples.
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Videodrome
Senior Member
This is what the PC party believes.
Just what would one be hunting and killing in downtown Toronto? Or downtown Sudbury for that matter?
JGHali
Active Member
Raccoon, squirrel, pigeon, and Canada goose?
Yeah, I know they are all there, but would you be eating any of those? And I suspect it's illegal to hunt them anyway. I guess Mr. Lawton didn't think of that.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
I guess you have to make your bow and arrow too because rifle and bullets are cheap. Noting how gathering didn’t make the discussion either - it’s too effete perhaps.
Now if he is arguing that food bank users should be, where possible, taught to make what they have go further - sure - but I have a feeling they don’t need a general populace that waste 31B worth of food per year to tell them that.
AoD
Now if he is arguing that food bank users should be, where possible, taught to make what they have go further - sure - but I have a feeling they don’t need a general populace that waste 31B worth of food per year to tell them that.
AoD
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Northern Light
Superstar
On the subject of Lysyk; she has regrettably, in my judgement either crossed the line of being overly partisan, or is simply an attention-seeker.
She is completely on point on her concern about government advertising. The Liberals did weaken her oversight powers, that was an overtly political act w/no real public benefit.
She isn't completely wrong on the messy hydro accounting, in so far as her concern is value for money and/or transparency. This a completely fair critique of the government.
However, on the pension issue, the Wynne Liberals have accounted for this the exact same way as the Harris Tories did. There has been no change in GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) or in PSAS (Public Service Accounting Standards) that merit a change in this type of accounting.
Further, if there had been, it would only be fair to order re-statement of every budget going back to the Harris years, increasing their deficits as well, so as to allow an apples-to-apples comparison of fiscal probity.
Her obsession w/this last item; as well her general demeanor of not sticking to the facts, but rather loudly editorializing on her preferences smacks of grandstanding and unfortunately takes away from real and genuine concerns about value-for-money and government advertising.
She is completely on point on her concern about government advertising. The Liberals did weaken her oversight powers, that was an overtly political act w/no real public benefit.
She isn't completely wrong on the messy hydro accounting, in so far as her concern is value for money and/or transparency. This a completely fair critique of the government.
However, on the pension issue, the Wynne Liberals have accounted for this the exact same way as the Harris Tories did. There has been no change in GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) or in PSAS (Public Service Accounting Standards) that merit a change in this type of accounting.
Further, if there had been, it would only be fair to order re-statement of every budget going back to the Harris years, increasing their deficits as well, so as to allow an apples-to-apples comparison of fiscal probity.
Her obsession w/this last item; as well her general demeanor of not sticking to the facts, but rather loudly editorializing on her preferences smacks of grandstanding and unfortunately takes away from real and genuine concerns about value-for-money and government advertising.
Northern Light
Superstar
The food bank remark, is of course, asinine.
Aside from making the would-be MPP look incredibly ignorant, much as with my critique above, it takes away from fair expressions of concern.
Every party should be concerned that food banks have become far too common place. Not that feeding the hungry is wrong, nor that fraud is rampant as middle-class folk visit to cut their grocery bill!
Rather, what was meant as a stop-gap solution to one symptom of extreme poverty, has instead become a permanent and growing staple of life for many, including a great number of people who have full-time employment.
There are small-c conservative ideas that can help address this issue, though they would not be fulsomely effective without some progressive ideas as well.
When someone chooses to make such an incredibly stupid and insensitive statement, one that should and probably does embarrass any serious conservative (or other) thinker on the subject its a sad
waste. It diminishes faith in government and those who seek its office and leaves many w/the impression there are no good ideas to tackle issues such as these, when indeed there are, this is simply not one of them.
Somewhere in his statement is the bare whisper of a notion that self-reliance is good quality/value. I happen to agree.
I simply see nothing in his suggestion that furthers that goal, nor do I care for what seems like a crass insult to those who find themselves in a vulnerable place, implying that its their own lazy fault.
Aside from making the would-be MPP look incredibly ignorant, much as with my critique above, it takes away from fair expressions of concern.
Every party should be concerned that food banks have become far too common place. Not that feeding the hungry is wrong, nor that fraud is rampant as middle-class folk visit to cut their grocery bill!
Rather, what was meant as a stop-gap solution to one symptom of extreme poverty, has instead become a permanent and growing staple of life for many, including a great number of people who have full-time employment.
There are small-c conservative ideas that can help address this issue, though they would not be fulsomely effective without some progressive ideas as well.
When someone chooses to make such an incredibly stupid and insensitive statement, one that should and probably does embarrass any serious conservative (or other) thinker on the subject its a sad
waste. It diminishes faith in government and those who seek its office and leaves many w/the impression there are no good ideas to tackle issues such as these, when indeed there are, this is simply not one of them.
Somewhere in his statement is the bare whisper of a notion that self-reliance is good quality/value. I happen to agree.
I simply see nothing in his suggestion that furthers that goal, nor do I care for what seems like a crass insult to those who find themselves in a vulnerable place, implying that its their own lazy fault.
steveintoronto
Superstar
Butch McLarty @ButchyMcLarty
Replying to @TheAgenda @spaikin
Next stop, the Shark Tank...oh...and I'm forming a new political party. We all get to wear party hats, bait traps, and rake in the dough. We're against the Establishment. Elites and all that ya know...
Still haven't got a scandal figured out, but we're working on it. Seems at least one is essential for people to believe we're serious. Then they'll vote for you...
Replying to @TheAgenda @spaikin
I deposited a few dead rats some months back, being a good Con and all that. Seems it paid off handsomely, the rats have swollen to many times their original size in just a short time.
Next stop, the Shark Tank...oh...and I'm forming a new political party. We all get to wear party hats, bait traps, and rake in the dough. We're against the Establishment. Elites and all that ya know...
Still haven't got a scandal figured out, but we're working on it. Seems at least one is essential for people to believe we're serious. Then they'll vote for you...
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steveintoronto
Superstar
We really have become desensitized to it. It's the society's fabric ripping around the edge. These aren't people who don't want to work or pay their taxes and have a better life for their kids. These are people who *are working* in many cases, more than one job.
Beyond sympathy for these folks individually, it's a canary in the cold (sic) mine for society in general. Tinges of the Thirties...and Rome.
SunriseChampion
Senior Member
It is, but we're about to see that the Ontario electorate is stupid enough to fall for all kinds of "this" and that.
SunriseChampion
Senior Member
I don't know about that. I would suggest that it's what Andrew Lawton believes. I wonder if he knows how to hunt and kill his own food. Weird that he didn't mention growing your own crops and foraging.
If you ask me, everyone should know how to hunt, forage, and cultivate their own food. Forcing people to learn these skills is supremely autocratic though. No thanks. Besides, I'm already skilled in self-sufficiency. Maybe I should go hunting with Andrew Lawton up north somewhere, see who's more "useful" (or whatever he was implying).
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narduch
Senior Member
Hunting for your own food? I get a mental picture of Darryl from the Walking Dead hunting racoons in downtown Toronto