2018 Ontario Provincial Election Discussion

[steveintoronto]

One thing about the Ipsos poll worth noting: Doug Ford's leadership approval rating being 37%, only a couple of points behind Horwath. (Wynne's at 24%.) By that evidence, seems like that Ford/Trump pattern of "those who like him, like him a lot" is sinking in, which might dangerous for opposition prospects...

Good points, but I suspect yet again, the polls are going to be proven wildly wrong. They gauge emotional responses, which is what the present numbers are all about. They don't gauge the likelihood of people actually voting on their feelings.

As Ford is forced to say something, anything of importance, the polls will start dropping for him as people realize that they hate Wynne, but it's not worth committing suicide over.

Just realized NL posted this:

Personal preferences aside, I think some of the polling we're seeing, and predictive seat totals for the PCs are simply unrealistic.

I could believe a minority win, which would key a coalition to allow the Libs to remain the government, or at best, a slim majority for the Cons, but not what polls allude to.

 

[syn]

It's karma. The so-called "subway champions" have failed to deliver any meaningful transit upgrades to Toronto, much less the Province at large. Transit should be a top priority in this election, yet gets hardly any coverage. Even Torontonians would be foolish to give their trust to Wynne and her acolytes again. Everyone thinking the Liberals' will build them a DRL anytime soon has been duped.

The Eglinton LRT
The Spadina Extension
The SSE/Crosstown East
Funded expansion projects turned down by the city

The Conservatives haven't even presented a transit plan.

As it stands, if transit is important then the Liberals are the only party to vote for.

 

[syn]

Its still early but its looking like last weeks gain by the Liberals was a dead cat bounce.

The Liberals probably made too many promises for new spending. They aren't believable anymore.

And people are so pissed at the Liberals and want Wynne out so bad they don't seem to care that Ford sounds like a bumbling idiot that has no idea what he's talking about.

Kind of funny since overspending is exactly what everyone accuses them of.

 

[syn]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/vikram-singh-nomination-1.4611552

https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...granic-allen-over-tweets-on-muslims-gays.html

Doug is keeping his distance from the sex-ed lady.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...-allen-from-mississauga-nomination-fight.html

He's keeping his distance in one sense, but he also needs her and her supporters. This will put him in a tight spot given his history of bigotry. Combine that with her homophobia and Islamophobia and things could get sticky for him very fast.

Refusing to remove her from the running isn't going to help.

Doug Ford resists pressure to remove Tanya Granic Allen from Mississauga nomination fight

 

[steveintoronto]

https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...-allen-from-mississauga-nomination-fight.html

He's keeping his distance in one sense, but he also needs her and her supporters. This will put him in a tight spot given his history of bigotry. Combine that with her homophobia and Islamophobia and things could get sticky for him very fast.

Refusing to remove her from the running isn't going to help.

Doug Ford resists pressure to remove Tanya Granic Allen from Mississauga nomination fight

Seems when Fedeli "cleaned out the rot"...he missed the cesspool.

So let's get this straight: Sexting is an acronym for 'exiting' but banning 'sex-ed' (and coloured people not like us) are words 'well-said'.

Someone run that past Michael Harris and Patrick Brown.

 

[animatronic]

I could believe a minority win, which would key a coalition to allow the Libs to remain the government, or at best, a slim majority for the Cons, but not what polls allude to.

Admire the optimism, but the current reality is a large PC majority. The vast majority of voters aren't paying attention during this phony war stage so the polls aren't going to move. The liberals have not started their attack on Ford and they are running out of time.

 

[adma]

Now it's about the Ring of Fire file.

https://pressprogress.ca/ontario-pc...doesnt-understand-issues-in-northern-ontario/

 

[Hopkins123]

The Eglinton LRT
The Spadina Extension
The SSE/Crosstown East
Funded expansion projects turned down by the city

The Conservatives haven't even presented a transit plan.

As it stands, if transit is important then the Liberals are the only party to vote for.

Yes, TYSSE which took the better part of their entire 15 year tenure in office to complete. Yes, Eglinton Crosstown which is being deliberately sabotaged as a surface route east of Laird when grade separation should have been been pursued.

City council approved SSE way back in 2013. Where are those shovels in the ground? Isn't that what the "subway champion" promised would commence within months of her getting elected into office? And what of the projects that have fallen to the wayside like Sheppard subway expansion and Bloor-Danforth westward expansion? The Liberals are tricking y'all.

If and when Doug says he's going to build Toronto a subway, I have faith it'll actually happen this time, not in the year 20-never as the status quo seems to be ok with.

 

[steveintoronto]

Admire the optimism, but the current reality is a large PC majority.

The current reality is the Libs are still in power. You're referring to the *polls*, they are not a reality, now or ever. They are polls. And they are proving to be wildly inaccurate in many cases, the subject of much research of late, the answer to which is ambiguous.

The Libs are doing as the Libs do, trying to shadow box, since the PCs are trying their best to hide the Dougie in his Doug house. Everytime the Dougie barks, it proves embarrassing. Doug has nowhere to go but down in the polls.

 

[steveintoronto]

Now it's about the Ring of Fire file.

https://pressprogress.ca/ontario-pc...doesnt-understand-issues-in-northern-ontario/

I fell into a burning ring of fire,
I went down, down, down and the flames went higher
And it burns, burns, burns,
The ring of fire, the ring of fire.

-Johnny Cash

 

[steveintoronto]

Yes, TYSSE which took the better part of their entire 15 year tenure in office to complete. Yes, Eglinton Crosstown which is being deliberately sabotaged as a surface route east of Laird when grade separation should have been been pursued.

City council approved SSE way back in 2013. Where are those shovels in the ground? Isn't that what the "subway champion" promised would commence within months of her getting elected into office? And what of the projects that have fallen to the wayside like Sheppard subway expansion and Bloor-Danforth westward expansion? The Liberals are tricking y'all.

If and when Doug says he's going to build Toronto a subway, I have faith it'll actually happen this time, not in the year 20-never as the status quo seems to be ok with.

So is Dougie going to pay the City's share too? Them's simple country folk gonna' love that...

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Yes, TYSSE which took the better part of their entire 15 year tenure in office to complete. Yes, Eglinton Crosstown which is being deliberately sabotaged as a surface route east of Laird when grade separation should have been been pursued.

That's moving goalposts - TYSSE took the better part of 15 years in no short part due to Harper's games with the federal contribution; and Eglinton Crosstown is actually happening more or less as conceived in TC, minus the western segment. Just because you didn't like what's proposed doesn't mean the project didn't happen - hell, even tunneling is complete. At least they didn't fill a hole in - but I don't hear anyone talking about that.

AoD

 

[narduch]

That's moving goalposts - TYSSE took the better part of 15 years in no short part due to Harper's games with the federal contribution; and Eglinton Crosstown is actually happening more or less as conceived in TC, minus the western segment. Just because you didn't like what's proposed doesn't mean the project didn't happen - hell, even tunneling is complete. At least they didn't fill a hole in - but I don't hear anyone talking about that.

AoD

Isn't Crosstown a carry-over from the previous term?

What major transit projects started under this current mandate in Toronto/GTA? Ie. shovels in the ground, not EA studies or 'design'.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Isn't Crosstown a carry-over from the previous term?

What major transit projects started under this current mandate in Toronto/GTA? Ie. shovels in the ground, not EA studies or 'design'.

Let's not pretend we don't know the transit projects have a lead-time (especially when it involves municipal approval) - plus the work around enabling for Lakeshore E, Barrie, etc is already in tender and construction phase. This government may have many sins, inaction on the the transit file isn't one of them (where/how it is moving to on the other hand could very well be one).

AoD

 

[narduch]

Let's not pretend we don't know the transit projects have a lead-time (especially when it involves municipal approval) - plus the work around enabling for Lakeshore E, Barrie, etc is already in tender and construction phase. This government may have many sins, inaction on the the transit file isn't one of them (where/how it is moving to on the other hand could very well be one).

AoD

They promised that projects would be further along.