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2018 Ontario Provincial Election Discussion

In terms of NDP possibilities (assuming they hold Danforth and Parkdale-High Park).

Most likely pickup:

Davenport

Very much in play:

Beaches-East York
Humber River-Black Creek
Scarborough Southwest
York South-Weston

If things go very well:

University-Rosedale
 
PinkLucy said:
And how much does Doug make in a year? Could he support his wife and daughters’ shopping habits on less than $100,000? Yes I know he owns a private business but if he thinks those wages are too high, he should look in the mirror and atop squawking about the elites.
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What, and stop being a lying hypocrite? hahahaaa.....best of luck! He'd need some sort of hand of God epiphany slap to the backside of his nut.

Whenever someone calls him out on his bullshit he just raises his voice and repeats the bullshit and thinks he's clever. Unfortunately, people who go for that sort of thing also think he's clever.
Sorry, that should read: Unfortunately, people who go for that sort of thing exist.
 
narduch said:
Or Kim Campbelled?
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Now that would be something! Damn.....what two seats would they keep?

PS: I just checked the numbers from that election out and....the Bloc won 54 seats with 3% less votes than the PCs who got their infamous 2.

Because FPTP makes sense. :rolleyes:
 
I wonder how Ford will do in Brampton and certain parts of Mississauga.

If that goes Blue Wynne is out of a job.
 
And today's pre-budget leak is..........

2.2B for Free Childcare for preschool children (age 3 and under roughly.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...olers-by-2020-as-part-of-22-billion-plan.html

I'm not sure about the politics of this choice.

People w/kids of this age is a very small subset of the electorate.

If I were gonna splurge that kinda money I think I would have put the free drugs for seniors in the window this year; Or done free dental care or something.

Both of those would help more folks for the same money, and the drugs one could be done virtually immediately (Be in effect pre-election

As to the public policy virtue. I'm still a bit iffy. I agree w/more, and more affordable childcare, but going all the way to free soaks up a lot of $$$ that could help others.
 
Addendum.

The promise doesn't cover children until they are 2 and a 1/2. So this program covers 2 years of care, max.
 
Northern Light said:
And today's pre-budget leak is..........

2.2B for Free Childcare for preschool children (age 3 and under roughly.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...olers-by-2020-as-part-of-22-billion-plan.html

I'm not sure about the politics of this choice.

People w/kids of this age is a very small subset of the electorate.

If I were gonna splurge that kinda money I think I would have put the free drugs for seniors in the window this year; Or done free dental care or something.

Both of those would help more folks for the same money, and the drugs one could be done virtually immediately (Be in effect pre-election

As to the public policy virtue. I'm still a bit iffy. I agree w/more, and more affordable childcare, but going all the way to free soaks up a lot of $$$ that could help others.
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It's in the public's interest to get parents back into the workforce as quickly as possible, as it creates >1 job (parent plus child care workers).
 
animatronic said:
It's in the public's interest to get parents back into the workforce as quickly as possible, as it creates >1 job (parent plus child care workers).
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I don't disagree w/the theory. I'm not sure this does this.

By waiting till children are 2.5 years of age, some one full year beyond the maximum parental leave, and 1.5 years beyond the common variation, you ensure the stay-at-home parent will have quit their job.

Once a person is 2.5 years out of the workforce, no job, and the family has managed on that income, the rate of workforce re-entry isn't likely to be that high.

What I'm anticipating is that this will help families where the parent has already chosen to go back to work and they were paying for childcare, and now they don't have to pay.

Which is great, but not nearly so useful from a public policy perspective.

If you want that parent back at work, that care needs to be available at an affordable price as soon as their parental leave is over, so they can return to their pre-existing job.

So I'm dubious on the public policy value of this, as structured.

I'm also dubious on the politics for the relatively small group of beneficiaries in the electorate, and a timeline which means none of this kicks in until well after the election.

Good public policy, of course, should be the focus of programs; but in the real world you have to get elected or reelected to make good public policy, so politics matters too.
 
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^ It's not the principle that's open to question, and many *very conservative* nations in Europe fully support doing this (and have done-so for generations), it's the implementation. Mentioned nations see it as a wise investment not only for the parents and children, but also for society and nation building.

And I too have trepidations about this. Not least, if I had a child that age, putting them into a program that's been set-up in haste to satisfy an election perk would give me all sorts of nightmares, justified or not. A thought out program spanning years is the way to go, and implemented through the school system, or at least with it.

I fully agree with the need for this, many times over, but not like this.
 
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