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This may seem a little out of place for this string, but read between the lines. I've posted in quotation form to allow the full article:
Private Toll Roads Coming To Canada? Morneau Won't Say
The Huffington Post Canada | By Daniel TencerPosted: 11/08/2016 5:32 pm EST Updated: 11/08/2016 5:32 pm EST

Finance Minister Bill Morneau won’t say whether the federal Liberals’ stimulus spending plans on infrastructure will result in privately-owned toll roads and other user fees.

In an interview with Evan Solomon on CTV’s Question Period on Sunday, and flagged Monday by the Broadbent Institute's blog, Morneau dodged the question of whether the infrastructure bank the government plans to create will result in tolls on newly-built roads and highways.

“Sometimes you’re not going to get an answer,” Morneau quipped after Solomon pressed him on the issue.

The finance minister said “there is not necessarily just one way” for private businesses to make money off of investments in public projects, and suggested that not all projects would be funded through the bank.

“We in the federal government are not going to tell a municipality or province, ‘This is how you have to do this,'” Morneau said.

But he added that he “won’t take any ideas off the table” when it comes to funding projects.

In a fiscal update on Nov. 1, Morneau announced the Liberals intend to start a Canada Infrastructure Bank with $35 billion in government money, to attract private investors to large infrastructure projects.

The public-private partnerships created by the bank would allow for projects to be built faster than would otherwise be possible, the Liberals argue. The bank could potentially raise another $160 billion towards infrastructure projects over 10 years.

But critics, including the NDP, say those private investors invariably ask for bridge and highway tolls as a way to recoup their investment and make long-term profits. They’ve attacked the Liberal plan as a back-door privatization of Canada’s infrastructure.

“The Liberals never told Canadians about their privatization plans during the election, but now it’s become their misguided response to a struggling economy and shaky finances,” NDP finance critic Guy Caron said last week.

“Instead of investing in Canadian jobs, the Liberals will privatize infrastructure while delaying the vast majority of new investments by another two mandates.”

Caron was referring to the fact that the Liberals, in their fall update, extended the time-frame for $48 billion in infrastructure spending by an additional two years, to 2028. By that time the country will have gone through three more federal elections.

The Conservative Party has also criticized the infrastructure bank. MP Gerard Deltell last week noted that private funds can already invest in Canadian infrastructure projects. He suggested the bank idea showed the Liberals had lost control of government spending.

"The finance minister is all wrong," Deltell said.

But Morneau argued on CTV that an investment bank would supply its own expertise, helping investors map out a plan to make profits from infrastructure spending.

The Liberals say they will finalize their plans for the infrastructure bank in next year’s budget. But they are not waiting that long to pitch the business community. That work begins later this month when Morneau will give presentations to large institutional investors in Toronto, the Globe and Mail reports.

-- With files from The Canadian Press
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/1...a-infrastructure-bank-morneau_n_12869774.html
 
Southwestern Ontario service improvement: VIA Rail and Robert Q harmonize their services
SARNIA, ON, Nov. 10, 2016 /CNW/ - VIA Rail Canada (VIA Rail) and Robert Q Airbus (Robert Q) have harmonized their schedules in an effort to improve their service offerings in Southwestern Ontario and encourage more Canadians to leave their cars at home, to help to further reduce the carbon footprint of transportation in Canada. Starting on November 16th, people travelling between Sarnia, London and Toronto can benefit from an enhanced schedule offering five trips (two eastbound and three westbound) with efficient connection times between the train and the bus ranging from 21 to 50 minutes.

VIA Rail's inter-modal strategy, which puts us at the centre of an integrated network of different passenger carriers, has had a significant impact on the mobility of Canadians. "As we continue our work to increase the train frequencies in Southwestern Ontario, the needs of our passengers are and will continue to be our primary focus. We hope this collaboration with our partner Robert Q will enable more people to participate in the economic and social activities of other communities," said Yves Desjardins-Siciliano, President and Chief Executive Officer of VIA Rail. "VIA Rail appreciates the loyalty of our passengers and we are committed to contributing to the development of the transportation systems in the area. The schedule improvements with Robert Q are an encouraging first step and we hope to be able to expand services in the near future."

"Robert Q is pleased to be able to partner with VIA Rail to constantly adjust and improve our schedule to best serve our customers", said Jim Blundell, Chief Executive Officer of Robert Q. "It is more difficult to make those adjustments than one might think given that every scheduled run is interconnected with other connections which impacts our customers and our ability to provide on-time transportation for all our riders. However, our team of customer-focused transportation professionals is committed to constantly improving by listening and reacting to our customers' needs."

New Eastbound Schedule





Sarnia

London

Toronto

VIA Rail train #84

6:10

7:20

10:04 (connection with train #70)

10:53 (train #84)

Robert Q bus #810

10:05

11:30

Robert Q bus #812

VIA Rail train #76

13:30

15:10 Bus arrival

15:43 Train departure

17:52

Robert Q bus #814

VIA Rail train #78

17:45

19:10 Bus arrival

19:42 Train departure

21:51

Robert Q bus #816

22:30

23:55



New Westbound Schedule





Toronto

London

Sarnia

Robert Q bus #809


11:30

13:30

VIA Rail train #73

Robert Q bus #811

12:15

14:23 Train arrival

15:10 Bus departure

16:55

VIA Rail train #83

Robert Q bus #813

16:35

18:49 Train arrival

19:10 Bus departure

20:55

VIA Rail train #75

Robert Q bus #815

17:30

19:55 Train arrival

20:45 Bus departure

22:30

VIA Rail train#87

17:40

21:09

22:20



About Robert Q Airbus
Robert Q Airbus has been serving Southwestern Ontario with ground service to Toronto Pearson Airport and Detroit Metro Airport for over 40 years. With 48 trips daily they are moving over 125,000 passengers per year along the 401 corridor. Although known for the airport service, they also offer intercity service between Sarnia and London. By staying focused on safety and service excellence they have been recognized with many industry awards. Visit them at robertq.com.


About VIA Rail Canada
As Canada's national rail passenger service, VIA Rail (viarail.ca) and its 2,600 employees are mandated to provide safe, efficient and economical passenger transportation service, in both official languages of our country. VIA Rail operates intercity, regional and transcontinental trains linking over 400 communities across Canada and about 180 more communities through intermodal partnerships, and safely transports nearly four million passengers annually. The Corporation was awarded seven Safety Awards by the Railway Association of Canada over the last eight years. For more information, visit: www.viarail.ca/en/about-via-rail.
http://www.newswire.ca/news-release...ert-q-harmonize-their-services-600708551.html



 
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I wonder what the communities of Belleville, Trenton, Kingston, and Brockville will say about this.

So far the only news in the Whig-Standard about passenger rail is

http://www.thewhig.com/2016/11/09/cn-announces-support-of-sale-of-outer-station

- Paul

The only reasonable solution that I can see is some kind of DB Regio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB_Regio) remains operating on the corridor, with express trains moving onto the Peterborough corridor. If you're doing a milk run, hitting top speed for long stretches isn't a priority anyway, so the existing track should be ok.
 
If you're doing a milk run, hitting top speed for long stretches isn't a priority anyway, so the existing track should be ok.

Well, there's the rub. Today, passengers in these towns benefit from the higher track speeds because the stops are staggered in the schedule. Very few trains are "milk runs" that make all stops. A train will run express Toronto to Belleville or Cobourg to Kingston, so the higher speeds are material to trip time.

When D-S was first appointed, he made speeches claiming that there was tremendous potential in ridership in these smaller communities. This would appear to be a reversal of that.

- Paul
 
I'm almost 100% confident that the dedicated tracks project will be electrified from day 1 now. Also I'm confident the government of Canada is on board. A fun little thing that have watched change over the past year is the VIA infographic on the dedicated tracks web page. Watch the evolution of it, and how the wording changes (listed oldest to newest):

Old infographics:
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Newest infographic:
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The overall price used to break out the costs, and now it is all just lumped together as one package. Evidence of project refinement? I think so. I'm sure VIA has gotten government input on this. I'd love to hear all your thoughts!
 
A little more info available from the Examiner:
Via Rail is planning a new passenger train service between Toronto and Quebec City with a stop in Peterborough.

Via Rail CEO and president Yves Desjardins-Siciliano spoke about the idea Tuesday afternoon at a Greater Peterborough Chamber of Commerce luncheon held at The Venue on George Street.

He said the plan needs approval from the federal government, which could happen later this year. If approved soon, the train could begin running as soon as 2020.

Desjardins-Siciliano said the idea for this rail service came from local advocates who have been pushing for years for a passenger train from Havelock to Toronto.

“We are in your debt – it was your idea,” Desjardins-Siciliano told the crowd of about 80 people at the Venue.

One of those people was Peterborough-Kawartha MP Maryam Monsef, the minister of democratic institutions.

She said the service would be good for both the region’s economy and the environment. But when asked whether she will support the plan, Monsef didn’t say yes or no.

“I look forward to seeing the evidence to support the service’s viability so I can support it wholeheartedly,” she said.

Via Rail discontinued its Toronto-Peterborough passenger rail service in 1989 because it was losing too much money on each passenger. That service had about 44,000 riders a year.

Peterborough politicians and economic development officials have been advocating for a return of the service for years.

Even though $300 million in federal and provincial funding was committed to the idea in 2008, passenger train providers such as Via Rail and the Ontario government’s GO Transit service did not commit to service at the time.

In 2010, the Ontario government’s Metrolinx agency issued a report that found a Toronto-Peterborough service would cost a lot more than $300 million to set up.

That led to a group forming that advocated for a separate service called the Shining Waters Railway, after then Peterborough Conservative MP Dean Del Mastro commissioned a study that found that a standalone Toronto-Peterborough passenger service was feasible.

Del Mastro had hoped that service would be up and running by July 1, 2014.

Local advocates have also wanted to restore freight train service on the line.

Tony Smith, the president and chairman of the board for Shining Waters Railway, was at the announcement.

“We are extremely pleased, without question,” he said.

Smith said the rail service was never meant to be called Shining Waters – all along, they wanted a partnership with Via Rail.

Stu Harrison, the president and CEO of the Chamber of Commerce, said he was pleased to hear the news.

“We are extremely excited and impressed with the work that’s been done to date on the concept,” he said.

“To learn it was triggered by the work of Shining Waters Railway is extremely gratifying.”
http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer....o-and-quebec-city-with-a-stop-in-peterborough
 
Wow, improved service to SW Ontario and possible reactivation of a corridor for Peterboro and the SE... a lot of good news from VIA in one day.
 
If you put this together with earlier statements I couldn't make much sense at the time, it's starting to sound like two service paradigms:
  • A faster Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal service along a rebuilt northern corridor, and;
  • A more local service with a Kingston Hub along the current corridor: Kingston-Toronto, Kingston-Montreal, Kingston-Ottawa serving the existing stations and acting partly as commuter lines into the big cities.
Is anyone else seeing this?
 
If you put this together with earlier statements I couldn't make much sense at the time, it's starting to sound like two service paradigms:
  • A faster Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal service along a rebuilt northern corridor, and;
  • A more local service with a Kingston Hub along the current corridor: Kingston-Toronto, Kingston-Montreal, Kingston-Ottawa serving the existing stations and acting partly as commuter lines into the big cities.
Is anyone else seeing this?
That scenario certainly fits. I had to read back on the two Thursday's Peterborough news reports to realize the first one seemed to be an announcement of fact. It wasn't, as the second one made clearer. It's still a nebulous proposal, which is why we're not seeing this reported in the national press, let alone the regional press. And that's part of the plan I think. D-S is still testing the waters to see if and how this can/will firm up.

Some are taking this to be inclusive of one route, exclusive of the others. That's not what would happen. If HFR happens along the Peterborough route, Kingston would still remain a 'hub' as you term it, with emphasis on local service to Toronto, but still local service to Ottawa, and along the lake to Montreal. But if someone wished to go 'express' from Toronto to Ottawa or Montreal, it would be by the old O&Q (Peterborough) alignment. And for commuter service to Peterborough, GO would run shorter EMUs, and VIA would still run local stopping trains (albeit fewer than express ones) along the line's length. Even two stopping trains per each direction per day would be enough for most towns, one in the morning, one in the evening, for those needing to travel down the line, baggage, and for those like myself wishing to hike, cycle and visit the area served.

Freight could be run at night, CP would still wish to serve a couple of clients, and perhaps even run some express merchandise trains along the route. CP would either be a partner in the consortium building the track, or sell the present western existing sections to the consortium and lease back access later.
 
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I think the Kingston hub idea certainly has merit. I guess it's a bit of a parallel to what Via is looking to do with London.

Question though: how much of a retrofit is going to be required to the corridor between Peterborough and Ottawa? Is it just relaying track in some sections, or will there be upgrades to smooth out the alignment too?
 
Is it just relaying track in some sections, or will there be upgrades to smooth out the alignment too?
This has been discussed at length prior in this forum, and there are no hard answers, just conjecture, as with the EMUs proposed or the latest electric loco hauled trainsets, hugging curves at speed is much easier. That being said, it is likely that some of the tight curves will be softened. Tilting electric (and some diesel models), Pendolinos, for instance have allowed the very curvy West Coast Mainline in the UK to attain new high-speed records:
[...]The Class 390 is one of the fastest domestic electric multiple units operating in Britain, with a top speed of 140 mph (225 km/h); however, limitations to track signalling systems restrict the units to a maximum speed of 125 mph (200 km/h) in service. In September 2006, the Pendolino set a new speed record, completing the 401 miles (645 km) length of the West Coast Main Line from Glasgow Central to London Euston in 3 hours, 55 minutes, beating the 4-hour-14-minute record for the southbound run previously set in 1981 by its ancestor, British Rail's Advanced Passenger Train. The APT retains the ultimate speed record for this route, having completed the northbound journey between London Euston and Glasgow Central in 3 hours 52 minutes in 1984 which included a 5-minute delay due to a signal fault.[7] [...]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_390

Remember, this is not High Speed, but higher than present speed, but frequent and not exotic. Very little improvement will be needed with most of the alignment other than using the latest signalling and electric propulsion techniques.
 
Is it just relaying track in some sections, or will there be upgrades to smooth out the alignment too?

Considering that (a) the alignment dates back to the 1880s and thus is built to lower standard than the 1914-built alignment of the Belleville Sub and that (b) quite a bit of land has been sold off, there are going to have to be some very significant realignments along the route.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
Considering that (a) the alignment dates back to the 1880s and thus is built to lower standard than the 1914-built alignment of the Belleville Sub and that (b) quite a bit of land has been sold off, there are going to have to be some very significant realignments along the route.
I'm still cynical that this is really feasible at any decent speed (such as matching the current travel time to Ottawa). They replaced this slow alignment over 100 years ago for a reason. I have to wonder if someone has sold VIA a monorail.
 
To the people of Peterborough & Lindsay this is nothing but good news but it's not an ideal solution. Certainly a return of VIA to Peterborough is great but as a commuter line it's much less so.

The best scenario is for it to be part of the GO system. This would mean fare integration with the rest of the GO network and {potentially if Metrolinx starts doing it's job} some fare integration with various local transit systems as well. Also a system run by VIA will clearly be heading for Union which would be a missed opportunity. The great thing about the Peterborough line is that it is the one GO route that could be used as a much needed crosstown GO line via Davisville. The line could go all the way from NE Toronto across to the Lakeshore in the extreme SW part of the city. This would make GO far more convenient for Torontonians to use and be more direct for crosstown travel but would have many more connections to other major lines {ie Davisville subway station} and would help relieve capacity issues at Union.

I'm quite sure the people of Peterborough are quite justifiably thrilled about the news but over the long-term this could be more harm than good. Such a service would put any GO train service to Pet. as a no-go as there simply wouldn't be the ridership for both services. If the ultimate goal is to have a completely integrated transit system across the Golden Horseshoe then this will could turn out to be detrimental.

I hope you mean Summerhill? The tracks just south of Davisville station have been decommissioned for a while and is now the Beltline multi-use trail.
 

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