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I thought the current plan was to station crew at Broadview to lower and raise the poles.
On hand said this while the other had say that. If you are going to do it right, then do it right as well been cheaper than having someone standing on the street in all kind of weather and dealing with COVID-19. Wait for the next update on this change over since TTC is good not doing thing right the first time.
 

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On hand said this while the other had say that. If you are going to do it right, then do it right as well been cheaper than having someone standing on the street in all kind of weather and dealing with COVID-19. Wait for the next update on this change over since TTC is good not doing thing right the first time.
Point taken. That being said, the Broadview section is clearly not scheduled to finish in April, so the options are either the pole changing crew at the TTC's claimed deadline, or another few months of busses.
 

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Point taken. That being said, the Broadview section is clearly not scheduled to finish in April, so the options are either the pole changing crew at the TTC's claimed deadline, or another few months of busses.
I was always under the impression the intersection was fully rebuilt after the fire and rebuilding the section between Dundas and Gerard. The overhead was rebuilt years ago on Broadview. I watched them do both intersections and Broadview. A few more month of buses allows work to get done faster and streetcars fully in-service without someone on site 7/24
 

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Same excuse as always. Underfunding of public transit by the automobile-addicted politicians.
In this case I think one has to say it was TTC incompetence. The original plan was that only first 60 new streetcars would even have poles. By delaying they made it essential that all cars have both poles (which will sooner or later be unusable) and pantos (which one day will be essential) and by 'organising' the work the way they did, they did not even make it possible for major routes with many streetcars like King to use pantos, even today!
 

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In this case I think one has to say it was TTC incompetence. The original plan was that only first 60 new streetcars would even have poles. By delaying they made it essential that all cars have both poles (which will sooner or later be unusable) and pantos (which one day will be essential) and by 'organising' the work the way they did, they did not even make it possible for major routes with many streetcars like King to use pantos, even today!
Actually, it is because of budget cuts forced on the TTC by the higher-ups. Something has to be cut, and the streetcar network has been the lowest priority for decades. The same reason why the streetcars have to "stop" at each and every track switch for "safety" because there are no funds to fix them property.
 

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Actually, it is because of budget cuts forced on the TTC by the higher-ups. Something has to be cut, and the streetcar network has been the lowest priority for decades. The same reason why the streetcars have to "stop" at each and every track switch for "safety" because there are no funds to fix them property.
Though I certainly agree that some of the blame should be placed on politicians, I think TTC management deserve quite a bit too. Their scheduling of the overhead replacement was 'haphazard" at best and I saw no sign of them ever reporting to their Board that by not completing overhead conversion faster they would end up paying for both pantographs and poles on all cars. In addition, their pole replacement program was handled in what I think was a wasteful way - they did not do a whole area or street at one time but did most of them and then had to return (sometimes several times) to do the rest.
 

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The same reason why the streetcars have to "stop" at each and every track switch for "safety" because there are no funds to fix them property.
I don't get this whole thing about the switches being broken because they have to stop and check them at everyone. It has nothing to do with the switch not function it's because they don't have any sort of signal to the streetcar driver that the switch is set t way. Unfortunately, unlike the modern system where is a light to tell the driver how the switch is set the legacy network in Toronto hasn't been updated mainly due to lack of the complete disinterest in the city council in allowing it to be done.
 

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At least the tender calls are getting out


Notice of Intended Procurement
Solicitation
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Doc2310822841 (84-2020)
Commodity:Construction Services, Construction Services
Description:TTC Track Allowance Reconstruction, Platform Construction and Traffic Signal Work
TTC track allowance Reconstruction, Platform Construction, Traffic Signal work and Road/Sidewalk work at Howard Park Ave including Parkside Dr. & Dundas St. Intersections and High Park Loop
 

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What good is it putting 505 streetcars back into service before this work is done??? It also mean 506 cars will be replace with buses also.

I don't get this whole thing about the switches being broken because they have to stop and check them at everyone. It has nothing to do with the switch not function it's because they don't have any sort of signal to the streetcar driver that the switch is set t way. Unfortunately, unlike the modern system where is a light to tell the driver how the switch is set the legacy network in Toronto hasn't been updated mainly due to lack of the complete disinterest in the city council in allowing it to be done.
Makes no different if switches are working correctly or not, drivers have to stop to make sure the points are in the right positions. Also, only one car is to cross the intersection even with another car following it or coming in the opposite direction.

Got to thank the traffic department for not allowing signals to work correctly for TTC in place as required.

It also time TTC go after the bar signal system for the whole system even getting MTO to change the rules for it. Europe and the US allows them, as well KW.
 
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Found this of interest concerning the Queen Street extension (now named The Queensway). From link.

"4000 westbound along Queen Street extension just having crossed the diamond with CNR spur once part of the Toronto Belt Line Humber loop. Note Club Kingsway under construction."
September 1958.


"4195 in same place although CNR track has been removed. Club Kingsway at left behind streetcar. Far right distant background is TTC Runnymede route bus at Windermere Ave. south end of route."



"This portion of the old Belt Line remained in use by CNR long after the track north of the brick yard was dismantled. It included two diamonds with the TTC streetcar tracks in a separate right-of-way along the Queen Street extension."
 

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I always wondered if there were any instances of TTC rail crossing commercial railways. I assume there was there some method of electrical isolation.
 

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I always wondered if there were any instances of TTC rail crossing commercial railways. I assume there was there some method of electrical isolation.
I imagine the wires were high enough that the trains would clear them. Not likely possible now with double stack and bilevel cars.
 

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