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I've been finding the Dundas West streetcar loop behind the station to be deafening lately. Is there any way to submit a complaint or encourage more regular greasing? Any way to garner support for a sound barrier?
 

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I've been finding the Dundas West streetcar loop behind the station to be deafening lately. Is there any way to submit a complaint or encourage more regular greasing? Any way to garner support for a sound barrier?
Winter. Can't use water.

The lubricate on the curves needs adjustment or repairs. When it rains or snows, the wheel squeal is reduced.

The subway curves into and out of Union Station and between Museum and St. George used to be deadening as well. Then they put water on the tracks and the noise got reduced. They use other lubricates these days. If they maintain it properly.
 

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I've been finding the Dundas West streetcar loop behind the station to be deafening lately. Is there any way to submit a complaint or encourage more regular greasing? Any way to garner support for a sound barrier?
There is a complaint form on TTC website (link at bottom right corner of main screen - whether complaining will be of any use is another matter!
 

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I've been finding the Dundas West streetcar loop behind the station to be deafening lately. Is there any way to submit a complaint or encourage more regular greasing? Any way to garner support for a sound barrier?
Complaining to the TTC will probably get you nowhere. Your councilor might get better results.
 

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Complaining to the TTC will probably get you nowhere. Your councilor might get better results.
That may well be true but from my experience you MAY get more attention from a councillor if you have tried the 'normal routes" first and can say "The TTC never replied/did nothing/???"
 

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Winter. Can't use water.

The lubricate on the curves needs adjustment or repairs. When it rains or snows, the wheel squeal is reduced.

The subway curves into and out of Union Station and between Museum and St. George used to be deadening as well. Then they put water on the tracks and the noise got reduced. They use other lubricates these days. If they maintain it properly.
What happens when ice meats hot steel wheels with friction?
 

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From link.

Wheel squeal

Wheel squeal from rail transit operations is a common occurrence on rail lines around the world. TTC subway operations also produce wheel squeal. The frequency of this squeal noise can be a source of annoyance to our customers and to residents who live adjacent to our rail operations. The sensation of a frequency is commonly referred to as the pitch of a sound. People generally refer to the “high pitch” of the squeal.

Wheel squeal is caused by the steel wheel interacting with the top of steel rail and also by the interaction of the wheel’s flange with the side of the running and restraining rails. Most commonly, this squeal/screech occurs on curved sections of subway track. On some portions of the subway system, such as the curved tracks approaching Union Station, automatic wayside lubricators are used, and a specially formulated lubricant is applied to the side of the rails. The lubricators help to reduce noise levels but do not entirely eliminate the squealing sound. The lubricators are inspected regularly by track maintenance staff to ensure they are operating properly. However, from time to time, humidity levels and sudden temperature changes can reduce the effectiveness of the wayside lubricators.
Used on streetcar curves and, coming soon, to a light rail line curve near you.
 

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I've been finding the Dundas West streetcar loop behind the station to be deafening lately. Is there any way to submit a complaint or encourage more regular greasing? Any way to garner support for a sound barrier?
Te new streetcars all have lubricating units on half the fleet either the odd numbered cars or the even numbered ones which are designed to apply a set amount of grease on the rails as they go b. When it rains though any existing lubricate is washed away and can take some time to build up again.
 

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What tram of that size only carries 40 people? Even iON is carrying more people per train than that.
From TFA:
"The second video did the same, but with the occupancy levels of the vehicles tweaked so that they were all full to capacity (the previous video showed them at typical occupancy levels). "
 

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Regarding the noise of the turn around of the Dundas West Streetcar:
> What are the chances of the TTC running the Dundas/Roncesvalles streetcar line up to the Junction?
> What is the path to having a sound barrier installed to mitigate noise from the surrounding areas?
> What are the chances of a developer building on top of the Dundas west station and revitalizing the whole corner?

Any of these would mitigate the sound issues...
 

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Regarding the noise of the turn around of the Dundas West Streetcar:
> What are the chances of the TTC running the Dundas/Roncesvalles streetcar line up to the Junction?
> What is the path to having a sound barrier installed to mitigate noise from the surrounding areas?
> What are the chances of a developer building on top of the Dundas west station and revitalizing the whole corner?

Any of these would mitigate the sound issues...
1. Of course, if there are no streetcars on the current Dundas West loop there will be no noise - but what about 504?
2. To get a sound barrier erected at the station loop would doubtless mean work by the local Councillor BUT many people like sound barriers even less than they like noise and any barrier (unless right AT the homes) would need gaps for streetcars and streets so would probably not even work.
3. Any development on the site of Dundas West station would need to be pretty tall to make it financially viable and I wonder how THAT would go over in the area.
 

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