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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

4414 has reenter service on 512 after arriving July 1st by truck. If it wasn't for having the VISION install, it would have been the fastest returning car to reenter service

4409 was out yesterday on 509 doing testing.

Is the next car 4411 going to be delivery like 4409, or was 4409 was an odd ball?? 4411 was loaded May 05 2020, follow by 4415 on May 27.
 
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Right now, TTC has already had a look at BBD and Alstom cars in Canada, but needs to see if Siemens, CAF, CRRC, Stadler lowfloor cars can do better than them. Siemens cars in Calgary are high floor and I have ridden their 70% lowfloor cars in the US along with CAF. Was planning on riding CRRC cars in July, but that went out the window in March.

At the same time, will Alstom keep the Flexity as part of their product line???

There are a few others that can be added to the list.

Then, who paying for them and where do you store cars beyond the plan 60 that were to be order once car 60 show up?
 
drum118 said:
At the same time, will Alstom keep the Flexity as part of their product line???
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It's a rare merger that doesn't seen the product line be consolidated and any needless duplication eliminated. We can expect price increases from Alstrom as well.

Alstrom already has a plant and active projects here. https://www.alstom.com/alstom-canada My guess is all the electric streetcars and LRT projects are moved to Alstrom's Quebec plant. The Thunder Bay plant will switch entirely to heavy rail stock and Go Train cars, before likely closing for good by 2025. When it comes to government slush and pork, Ontario doesn't compare to Quebec for handouts. Alstrom follows the money.
 
Admiral Beez said:
Alstrom already has a plant and active projects here. https://www.alstom.com/alstom-canada My guess is all the electric streetcars and LRT projects are moved to Alstrom's Quebec plant. The Thunder Bay plant will switch entirely to heavy rail stock and Go Train cars, before likely closing for good by 2025. When it comes to government slush and pork, Ontario doesn't compare to Quebec for handouts. Alstrom follows the money
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Aren't they supposed to be building one in Ontario to build the LRT cars for the Finch West LRT?
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
Aren't they supposed to be building one in Ontario to build the LRT cars for the Finch West LRT?
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Yes, assembly is in Brampton not too far from Bramalea GO Station. The order was for 61 LRVs; 17 for Finch and 44 for Hurontario with no spares (for Hamilton).

The remaining Bombardier order is 76 all going to Eglinton.
 
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Admiral Beez said:
An even stronger reason to shutdown the former Bombardier plant in Thunder Bay. Offer to bring the skilled employees to Brampton.
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I'm sure CDPQ, Alstom's largest shareholder (~18%), will push for any consolidation on their Canadian capacity to favour Quebec locations.

Thunder Bay, Kingston, and Brampton are all on shaky ground once current orders are complete.
 
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rbt said:
I'm sure CDPQ, Alstom's largest shareholder (~18%), will push for any consolidation on their Canadian capacity to favour Quebec locations.

Thunder Bay, Kingston, and Brampton are all on shaky ground once current orders are complete.
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Agreed. Really these LRT plants need to become like cement plants or Soviet-era tank factories; totally mobile, win the tender, drop the assembly plant in the local jurisdiction to gain taxpayer funds and other government slush, assemble the LRTs using pre-made components from your sole permanent mother plant (located wherever the government pork is best), disassemble the assembly plant (minus a small maintenance outfit to keep local politicians happy), move the assembly plant to the next city, and repeat.
 
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Brampton will be finish 2023 or early 2024 once the last Hurnontario car is ship.

Thunder Bay will be finish 2022 of all current orders.

Kingston will be finish 2021 or early 2022 or depending on TTC cars that are having welds fix in La Pocatiere Quebec. That could be 2025 at current rate of 300 days from the time they are loaded/off loaded at Hillcrest. No idea what else is built at La Pocatiere Quebec or on the books after TTC cars are done

BBD has been short listed for Calgary car order for the Green Line and don't know where the bidding process is at this time. Edmonton is going to the market for more cars.

Future bids.
TTC 60-100 cars
KW ? cars
Will US market order more bilevels from Alstom based on current BBD design?
Vancouver ? that would be built at the Kingston plant.
TTC TR2 trains about 72 of them.
OL/DRL trains ?
Quebec City LRT system (made in QC)
Montreal LRT/REM/Metro expansion (made in QC)
Metrolinx LRT expansion around 2026/27 for delivery
 
Admiral Beez said:
An even stronger reason to shutdown the former Bombardier plant in Thunder Bay. Offer to bring the skilled employees to Brampton.
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The Brampton plant is a small facility where they piece together the various subassemblies into complete cars. It also doesn't offer much in terms of testing of the equipment. It is probably a sixth of the size of the Thunder Bay plant - where many of the required subassemblies could be built.

The smaller facility also doesn't have the room to ramp up to multiple assembly lines - so it is tied to a low production rate for each contract.

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Thunder Bay will be finish 2022 of all current orders.
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Incorrect. They have orders until the middle of 2023 for bunch of BiLevel cars for a number of American properties - with more orders potentially to come for them.

Dan
 
From the TTC CEO August Report:. https://www.ttc.ca/PDF/About_the_TTC/CEO_Report/CEO's Report-August 2020.pdf

Starting with the Major Repair Program, the TTC and Bombardier have been accelerating repairs on the first 67 streetcars. By increasing the number of vehicles in the program to a high of 22 from seven originally, we are advancing the completion of major repairs by two years — to the end of 2021 rather than 2023. Opportunities are being explored to accelerate the program by an additional six months.
 
I suppose where a plant is located should be up to the company, rather than demanding or expecting that manufacturing should be local to the purchaser, which pits one part of the country against another, even more than happens now. If we're not careful, even more of our manufacturing will be offshore, let alone a few hour train ride away.

Cement plants are anything but portable; ready-mix plants perhaps. If local is the mantra, perhaps the GTA could undertake all of its construction using only raw materials from within its borders. Oh, wait . . .
 
4427 is on its way to QC.

4409 been in and out of the service bay since it did one day of testing after its arrival. It also has been spending time on the yard service track as well. It only 19 days since it arrived.
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A number of places have mandated X % of a contract is made local that a plant was built in or near the place wanting X. Boston is a good example of sitting up a plant for their LRT and subway equipment. Ottawa is another example.
 
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