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TTC: Electric and alternative fuel buses

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That sucks to hear. They are the only e-bus that I think is truly built to simply drop in as a replacement for a diesel fleet.



Any idea when the deliveries end?

Have they come up with a process for future procurement? And this the criteria for this evaluation period published anywhere?

The latest reports are from the February TTC Board Meeting,


 

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Does the BYD & Alexander Dennis deal impact other NewFlyer electric buses (such as the model TTC is receiving), or is it exclusively the ADL Enviro400EV unit?

IIRC, when TTC ordered the electric buses New Flyer did not own Alexander Dennis nor was BYD in partnership with that subbrand.
 
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That sucks to hear. They are the only e-bus that I think is truly built to simply drop in as a replacement for a diesel fleet.
Luckily, other more comfortable seating arrangements are available. However, the large wheelhousing remains a constant.

Any idea when the deliveries end?

Have they come up with a process for future procurement? And this the criteria for this evaluation period published anywhere?
All 25 Proterra and 25 New Flyer buses have been delivered. The more recent deliveries haven’t entered service yet. Worth noting, the last 15 Proterra buses and last 15 New Flyer buses have a rooftop charging option.

All ten BYD buses have been delivered. None have entered service, but they are currently testing and training with them.
 

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Does the BYD & Alexander Dennis deal impact other NewFlyer electric buses (such as the model TTC is receiving), or is it exclusively the ADL Enviro400EV unit?

IIRC, when TTC ordered the electric buses New Flyer did not own Alexander Dennis nor was BYD in partnership with that subbrand.
The BYD and ADL partnership is only for the Enviro200EV and Enviro400EV sold overseas. In North America, ADL partnered with Proterra for the Enviro500EV (of which GO Transit has taken two for trial).

New Flyer offers their own electric bus design in the Xcelsior. It does not use BYD batteries, axles, or motors.
 
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R32PW20792 - Request for Information - Battery Electric Buses and Hybrid Buses

TTC is looking for informatin about BEBs or HEVs that comply with the following requirements:

  • Must be certified by Transport Canada to be registered and operated in Canada
  • Must be a low-floor bus design between front & rear exit doors (minimum)
  • Must be compliant with the Accessibility for Ontarians Act - AODA requirements and Canadian Standard Association (CSA) Standard D345
  • Must have large on-board energy storage capacity and utilize overnight garage depot charging
  • Must be capable of operating at ambient temperatures between -10° C and 35°C
  • May be required to meet TTC Canadian Content requirements (25%) subject to funding
 

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All ten BYD buses have been delivered. None have entered service, but they are currently testing and training with them.
Are they getting more BYD buses or is that the total? I thought there were fielding 25 buses from each OEM?

Also, how long is this trial? Are they going to have a point where they report on the buses performance and spec out 100% BEV buses going forward?
 

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Are they getting more BYD buses or is that the total? I thought there were fielding 25 buses from each OEM?

Also, how long is this trial? Are they going to have a point where they report on the buses performance and spec out 100% BEV buses going forward?
They were suppose to get 20 from each but BYD can't deliver them on time so the additional ten was split between NFI and Proterra.

It's not a trial, they bought the buses permanently and would have to sell them off or scrap them if they don't want them.

The conversion to BEB won't happen anytime soon till the figure out how they can stay in full day service and their reliability needs to improve. We'll likely see HEV be ordered in the foreseeable future as TTC seem to be happy of the current Nova HEVs unlike the Orion VII HEVs.
 

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