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Whats the point in all this when theyve been in revenue service for months in which more accurate load data has been given? Not to mention wouldnt this have been done a long time ago by manufacturer? Seems like wasted exercise.
I’m guessing this gives them a more fair comparison between all three different types.
 

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The TTC has commenced testing all three types of electric buses with simulated loads (9000 lbs of water) and simulated service. Was tipped off they’d be shadowing the 43 today and caught them in Agincourt this morning.


Road to electric
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The TTC has the most waterbeds in the city not belonging to waterbed manufacturers or waterbed retailers.
 

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Whats the point in all this when theyve been in revenue service for months in which more accurate load data has been given? Not to mention wouldnt this have been done a long time ago by manufacturer? Seems like wasted exercise.
I totally disagree. Unless you pit the buses at the same time in the same condition (geography, load, traffic, weather, AC on/off) on the exact same route, you can't say which one is better under what conditions. Every route has a different performance thus you can't say what is better when you compare route "apples" to route "oranges". Since they are based from different garages, there haven't been a true competitive data.

Different manufacture tests on different condition to showcase the best scenario for their product. How can one even consider manufacture's words as truth? That's just naive to assume so. As for control tests by a 3rd party, they could cheat like VW did.

Besides, whats the point of buying from all 3 if they can just read some specs and decide based on possibly misleading manufacture info and pick one.
 

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Whats the point in all this when theyve been in revenue service for months in which more accurate load data has been given?
Looks straight forward to me. They likely sent feedback to the manufacturers based on revenue service and the manufacturer who was "behind" and not going to receive an order for 2000+ units ($1.5B over a 10 year period) complained the test was unfair in some way.

This is the TTC either learning their testing was unbalanced or unfair, or eliminating a lawsuit when they disqualify a vendor due to technical non-compliance despite the manufacturer spec stating otherwise.
 

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^Data on how the units‘ performance during a structured test on Toronto roads compares with the less structured in-service performance is good data, and likely valuable learning.

Hmmm......Three brightly coloured environmentally-friendly competitors following each other up and down a set course of roads in a dramatic contest of willpower and endurance....think of it as the TTC’s little contribution to the Tour de France.

- Paul
 

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The first BYD goes into service this afternoon.
 

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The first BYD goes into service this afternoon.
I have the chance to see it first hand today as well behind the scene look for charging it and a ride on it before going into service, but tie up that I have to miss it. It would be interesting comparing it to the 60' I saw when it was up here a few years ago.
 

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TTC now has the largest fleet of electric buses in North America on the road with arrival of third new electric bus model

Sept. 8, 2020

Today, the TTC is pleased to announce that it is operating the largest fleet of electric buses in North America. The milestone comes as the TTC's third new electric bus model is now road ready and starting to go into service.

"Public transit allows Canadians to get around in cheaper, cleaner and faster ways," said The Honourable Catherine McKenna, Minister of Infrastructure and Communities. "Our government's investment in the TTC's electric bus pilot program is a sign of our commitment to made-in-Canada clean technology and an important step toward our target of 5,000 electric buses in Canada's fleets over the next five years. Canada's Infrastructure plan invests in thousands of projects, creates jobs across the country and builds stronger communities."

"I'm proud to help launch these new electric buses and to celebrate the fact that Toronto is now officially operating the largest fleet of electric buses in North America. This fleet of 60 all-electric buses was only made possible thanks to an investment by the City of Toronto and the Government of Canada of $140 million," said Toronto Mayor John Tory. "Our eBus fleet is one of the many projects that our City government has jointly funded with the federal government through the federal Public Transit Infrastructure Fund. I want to thank the Government of Canada for providing this funding that helps keep Toronto residents moving by investing in modernizing, expanding and upgrading our transit and transportation infrastructure. This is the right and responsible thing to do for our transit system, our city, and our environment."

In November 2017, the TTC Board approved procurement of 30 all-electric vehicles. In June 2018, the Board approved the purchase of 30 more. The TTC acquired the 60 all-electric buses from three manufacturers: BYD Canada Co. Ltd., New Flyer Industries Inc. and Proterra Inc.

The TTC's Arrow Road Garage was the first location to be outfitted with leading-edge charging infrastructure for its New Flyer Industries vehicles. Mount Dennis Garage followed with vehicles made by Proterra that use the same charging technology. BYD vehicles, which have now all arrived on property and are based out of the TTC's Eglinton Bus Division, require a different type of charging infrastructure. While the other eBuses use DC or Direct Current electricity to charge, BYD vehicles use AC or Alternating Current.

The differences between all three eBus models, including the effect of how they charge on overall performance, will be put to the test as the TTC progresses with its head-to-head comparison to inform future procurements of battery-electric buses.

Approximately 35 eBuses are already in service across the city. The first BYD-manufactured eBus is being put into service on the 116 Morningside route today. The remaining 25 eBuses, currently undergoing final testing and commissioning activities, are expected to be in service by the end of September.

"Electrification is the future of public transit and I'm proud that the TTC has been established as an industry leader in this regard, as the owner of North America's largest fleet of eBuses," said TTC Chair Jaye Robinson. "The TTC Board wholeheartedly supports the TTC's forward-thinking plan to achieve a zero-emissions fleet by 2040."

"The TTC is pleased to be leading the charge on such an important project and transition for the transit industry and the city," said TTC CEO Rick Leary. "We're grateful for the ongoing support from our partners at the City and at Infrastructure Canada to sustain our pledge to prioritize network-wide service improvements and ensure the TTC provides the reliable service that our customers deserve."

The electrification of vehicles is a key component of the City's TransformTO climate action strategy, which targets an 80-per-cent reduction in local greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. To meet that target, 100 per cent of vehicles in Toronto must transition to low-carbon energy by 2050. The electrification of buses, which is targeted for 2040, demonstrates the City's commitment to lead by example. Vehicles generate about one-third of the emissions in Toronto today. The TTC's new eBuses operate on truly green propulsion technology with zero tailpipe emissions.

The Government of Canada and the City of Toronto have invested $140 million in this project under federal Public Transit Infrastructure Fund (PTIF). The money is being used for these electric buses and to begin laying the infrastructure for future expansion of the TTC's zero-emissions fleet. This fund is helping keep Torontonians moving through investments in the repair, modernization and expansion of the city's transit and active transportation networks. In total, up to $1.8 billion is being invested in Toronto through PTIF, which was launched on Aug. 23, 2016.
 

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