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TTC: Electric and alternative fuel buses

ADRM

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*Video I made on the NFI Electric Buses*

Battery Electric buses are definitely the future and we wish they got more press coverage. We took a ride on the TTCs Electric bus from New Flyer and we talk all about it in our latest video! If you enjoy consider subscribing!
I rented two of these for my wedding a couple months back, and they were the (secondary?) stars of the show. Guests loved them.
 

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And dare i say that the A/C systems on the e-buses (at least with the XDE40s) actually function better cooling wise compared to the joke of a system used on our diesel and hybrid-electric Novas.
 

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What do you know or foresee the challenge with BYD to be?
BYD has had a few high-profile negative stories regarding its buses.

Los Angeles returned their five trial buses after only a couple of years.

Albuquerque returned their buses and canceled their order.

Indianapolis' buses were not achieving their promised range. The buses and infrastructure were upgraded at BYD's expense.

In addition, the TTC's order with BYD wasn't off to a good start. Due to repeated delays, the TTC eventually advised BYD that it would not be exercising options for additional buses. New Flyer and Proterra would each supply another five buses. The first bus from BYD has only just arrived at Eglinton Div.

It should be noted, however, that BYD has over 30 customers in North America. And some of them, like St. Albert in Alberta, have been satisfied enough with their buses that they purchased more. Other agencies have given them another chanced and purchased more as well.

I should also say, I don't know what BYD has since changed with their buses to rectify the issues other agencies had. We'll have to see how the TTC's buses fair when they enter service.
 

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I think they would be fine for the TTC. Toronto sit on a rather flat terrain with other electric buses working well. TTC also doesn't place these buses on excessive long runs meaning at least 30% of the fleet could be converted to electric and used for rush hour or shorter weekend trips purposes only. The base service buses going from 6am to 1am the next day would still need to be fulfilled with diesel or hybrid buses. These buses not making their range is like how car manufactures lie to us with optimized fuel economy. We all know we're not getting what is said on paper with non-optimized weather and driving conditions plus bad habits. I would say BYD failed more on writing their contract trying to convince customers but we'll see once they enter service.
 

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I know for Indianapolis the solution was adding additional chargers because the buses COULD not reach the range specified.
Indianapolis' buses were also 60 foot long versions, not the 40 foot ones that seem to be fairing much better everywhere else.

Dan
 

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Meanwhile...

Metro (Seattle) picks New Flyer for big electric bus purchase

From link.

With the debate about full electrification timetables out of the way, Metro is moving ahead with its plans for ordering 120 battery buses this year:

In 2017, Constantine and Metro General Manager Rob Gannon called on the industry to invest more in battery-electric options, including the creation of coaches that could travel farther and handle the varying terrain requirements of the region.​
New Flyer, based in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada with four manufacturing plants in the U.S., stepped up to the challenge, producing both a 40-foot and 60-foot battery-electric bus that met Metro’s specifications and timeline needs. These long-range battery-electric buses can travel approximately 140 miles on a single charge. The 11 existing short-range battery-electric buses in Metro’s fleet are 40 feet long and can travel 23 miles before requiring a 10-minute charge​

Metro announced the vision of buying 120 electric buses back in 2017. At the time, Proterra seemed to be in the lead (Metro operates a few Proterra buses on the Eastside) but New Flyer – which provides 60′ articulated coaches for LA Metro – seems to have won the bake off.

Buses will be run out of a temporary base while Metro brings online a permanent electric base.

This is all good news, of course, but it still saddens me that we seem to have stalled out on running new trolley wire in this city. Trolleys have their quirks, for sure, but they don’t require heavy batteries strapped to them and can climb hills quite well.
 

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Finally got to ride on a brand new E-bus on the 505. I was impressed - the interior seems roomier than the normal buses, it has nice hum to it rather than the irritating noise of a diesel engine, and I was really happy to see the return of a rear window! Also, they look cute with their curvy rear ends, haha.
 

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