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M II A II R II K

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In the west there could be a Humber Line that goes from Humber College to Humber College with stops at Kipling, the Airport, the Racetrack.
 

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In the west there could be a Humber Line that goes from Humber College to Humber College with stops at Kipling, the Airport, the Racetrack.
So the Etobicoke RT? That was a big idea during the late 70's; so big they even built a platform for it at Kipling. Unfortunately the SRT debacle put an end to the Etobicoke RT real quick and by extension Etobicoke's chances of actually developing into something more then a suburb. The SRT did wonders for Scarborough in it's now 30+ year operation, I can only imagine how Etobicoke would have changed had they gotten there RT.
 

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Just as a addon this is atleast my rought approximation of what the Etobicoke RT would have been like using the little information we have on it. The only interesting bit was the idea of the line having 2 branches, one to Pearson and another to York U. The later likely being a hold over from the time when Metro was planning a "Northern Crosstown LRT" which was to run from Kipling to Kennedy via the Finch Hydro Corridor. I could imagine the Etobicoke RT's northern branch being built with an eastern extension in mind likely bringing the Etobicoke RT to Finch Station and possibly beyond into Scarborough. Building this line today would be a real struggle compared to back in the 70's when a alot the planned route was still mostly empty land.
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Just as a addon this is atleast my rought approximation of what the Etobicoke RT would have been like using the little information we have on it. The only interesting bit was the idea of the line having 2 branches, one to Pearson and another to York U. The later likely being a hold over from the time when Metro was planning a "Northern Crosstown LRT" which was to run from Kipling to Kennedy via the Finch Hydro Corridor. I could imagine the Etobicoke RT's northern branch being built with an eastern extension in mind likely bringing the Etobicoke RT to Finch Station and possibly beyond into Scarborough. Building this line today would be a real struggle compared to back in the 70's when a alot the planned route was still mostly empty land.
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I still wish this would be built. Continuing east along Finch Hydro corridor.
 

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I like that idea, but where would the two meet up? Could the Etobicoke Transitway end at or intersect with Jane so buses can go up to the Highway 407 and Vaughan TTC stations?
Isn't the Highway 427 Transitway also a proposed thing? That would mean an interchange station at 427/407 would work. It also may be possible that the Eglinton West LRT from Renforth to Pearson could be made bus-compatible.
 

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I like that idea, but where would the two meet up? Could the Etobicoke Transitway end at or intersect with Jane so buses can go up to the Highway 407 and Vaughan TTC stations?
I think such the transitway should go north along Keele so the buses can also serve York University similar to JSF-1's map. Better connecting Etobicoke to York U and the Spadina subway line is a good idea, but with busway you can also connect to Mississauga and Markham and beyond. It would be very heavily used not only by TTC buses, but also GO and MiWay buses. It would be great for regional transit in addition to local transit.
 

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Isn't the Highway 427 Transitway also a proposed thing? That would mean an interchange station at 427/407 would work. It also may be possible that the Eglinton West LRT from Renforth to Pearson could be made bus-compatible.
Hwy 427 transitway is to terminate at Pearson airport if memory serves. However I don't see there being much difficulty in extending that route to Renforth Gateway and Kipling station, aside from space constraints.
 

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A busway is fine too, and probably has a greater chance of happening
Have we not learned from Ottawa? The conversion to LRT is a painful one. In our larger cities, we should avoid busways/transitways as much as possible. Build rail transit or don't waste the money. With so few transit dollars, we should only build on things that will bring the most benefit. Problem is, busways/transitways are a great political tool during an election.
 

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Transitways are great for cities and towns that don't need the full power and capacity of a lrt, like London ON, and the surrounding GTA cities. Busways are great for corridors that don't need the capacity of the lrt and is Cheap! Buses are also very maneuverable.
 

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I'd rather see a busway in that corridor, to link the 407 and Mississauga Transitways.
A busway would be much more feasible, as Hydro doesn't generally like permanent structures inside of their right-of-ways. At least with a busway it's just a road, not a fixed guideway like rail.
 

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Some Fordesque leader could come along and promise the 905ers to turn a transitway into a highway making more of a case to put rail down.
 

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Have we not learned from Ottawa? The conversion to LRT is a painful one. In our larger cities, we should avoid busways/transitways as much as possible. Build rail transit or don't waste the money. With so few transit dollars, we should only build on things that will bring the most benefit. Problem is, busways/transitways are a great political tool during an election.
There are three problems with the BRT in Ottawa:

1. It is the backbone of the entire system in the city of Ottawa.
2. Not only is it the backbone of the entire transit system, but the busiest, central portion of the route, Albert and Slater, is on-street rather than off the street and grade-separated. In other words, the busiest portion of the route has the lowest capacity.
3. It snows a lot in Ottawa, and articulated buses can't operate in snow.

An Etobicoke transitway would not act as the backbone of the TTC system. Even in Etobicoke, it would still be a secondary corridor compared to the two main corridors, Bloor and Eglinton. The Mississauga/Etobicoke/407 Transitway system as a whole would be a crosstown service rather than directly connecting to downtown as the Ottawa Transitway did. It would connect to lines connecting to downtown rather than connect to downtown by itself. Every station would be suburban. Even Kipling Station is suburban in nature.

And since the transitway would be entirely in suburban areas, it would easier to build an entire off-street, grade-separated system with bypass lanes at stations that can match LRT in terms of capacity (LRT lines typically do not have full grade-separation or quadruple-tracked stations).

The ridership of a BRT corridor in Etobicoke will very high but not enough to justify LRT. Ottawa Transitway had 240k weekday riders on it, around half of OC Transpo ridership, and more than all of the TTC buses in Etobicoke combined. It was just an exceptional case.
 
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