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But by her logic we'd have to shut down and rebuild all our subway tunnels too.
Haven't we spent the last 4 years with teams rebuilding tunnels from Eglinton through to about North York? They were not only replacing the tunnel lining, but also adjusting the bore itself as soil around it had shifted and caused the tunnel to be misaligned.

This kind of maintenance work can and is done while open during evenings/weekends; but it costs more. Shutting down and rebuilding Yonge in-place would be quite a bit cheaper (capital wise but subtract excavations since that's already done) than 25 years of SOGR budget.
 

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Which turn, the one near McCowan?

44North already addressed the Kennedy and Ellesmere curves - which would have to be replaced with almost any technology.
 

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Suppose we could redesign Toronto's subway system like Mini Metro. However, we are only limited to five lines and five river crossings. All of the existing stations would have to be connected to the system.

How would you redesign the subway system to prevent overcrowding?
There is too much congestion already on the U south of Bloor. Doing anything like Muni would actually do more damage.
 

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possible routing using disused Line 3
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Piggybacking on your proposal:

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With the ways things are going, we will get RER and fare integration/reform before anything is built to SCC...

Repurposed #6 for a NE Scarborough/Malvern LRT line using rail ROW - full grade-separation from Kennedy to Malvern; they can do an on-street loop within Malvern if needed.

Yes, this is a fantasy because it will require the use of CP's corridor.
 

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Plan B
(update to SmartTrack 2.0
http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/transit-fantasy-maps.3005/page-292#post-1109076 )


Convert the GO Stouffville line to Electric Multiple Units (EMU) with 3-4 minute headways. EMU’s are like subway cars that run on railroad tracks. They accelerate and stop much more quickly than locomotive/coach trains. Metrolinx is selecting EMU’s because they are half the operating cost of locomotive/coach trains.


From the Stouffville line the route goes along the Lakeshore (4th track installed), to Eastern Avenue where it turns on to King Street. Four railroad lines are laid on King Street providing a bypass track for the EMU’s. The tracks meet up with the Union Pearson Express (UPX), which is then salvaged by converting it to EMU and add a few more stations and serve north-west Toronto.


It will be necessary to install bypass tracks on King St to provide sufficient train throughput through the downtown to feed the two suburban lines. The tracks are on the surface is the most economical. A better solution would be to elevate the tracks but apparently this is not aesthetically satisfactory. The best solution would be to place the tracks underground.


This route addresses the downtown section of the Downtown Relief Project. The upper portion would be addressed with a station at Pape and Gerrard. Likely an LRT route replacing the Don Mills bus.


The Stouffville and UPX lines provide backbone service for a hub and spoke system. The Sheppard LRT meets the Stouffville line.The Steeles, Finch, Agincourt, Lawrence stations will significantly shorten bus routes in Scarborough. Most Scarborough bus routes will run east/west to feed the Stouffville line. As the east/west bus routes run faster than north/south routes transit times will be shortened. UPX and Stouffville provide speedy service considering the distances they cover.


Rapid transit on King Street provides much needed service (Liberty Village) and an alternate east/west corridor alternative to the Bloor subway.


The lines provide a grid service to Toronto. This relieves the load at Yonge/Bloor. The route along King St also relieves the load at Union Station.


 

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EMU's that are similar to subway cars {basically just subway trains running on standard rail track with overhead catenary power supply} are VERY common throughout the world. Toronto closest subway neighbour, Cleveland, uses such trains. All of the Delhi, Barcelona, and Sao Paulo systems do as does most of Tokyo's and Hong Kong's as well as many other European and Chinese systems. Every subway manufacturer makes them as off-the-shelf vehicles.

Catenary subways are also superior to standard 3rd rail subways, when running outside, in both reliability and safety which is why they are more frequently used in such capacities.

More reliable due to flooding or snow/ice can greatly effect 3rd rail operations unlike catenary. Safer because when using current rail corridors for their operation which many do, it mean that work can continue on other adjacent rail tracks without fear of electrocution. When, for example, you have 4 track corridors yet 2 are 3rd rail and the other 2 catenary or non-electric, it is VERY dangerous to have people work on/fix the 2 other tracks while the 3rd rail system is still running. This is one of the reasons 3rd rail systems that use current rail corridors do so almost exclusively with elevation or at a minimum very high track segregation walls to prevent electrical accidents.

For all of the GO RER system, I think catenary subways are superior even to EMUs.
 

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Plan B
(update to SmartTrack 2.0
http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/transit-fantasy-maps.3005/page-292#post-1109076 )


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It will be necessary to install bypass tracks on King St to provide sufficient train throughput through the downtown to feed the two suburban lines. The tracks are on the surface is the most economical. A better solution would be to elevate the tracks but apparently this is not aesthetically satisfactory. The best solution would be to place the tracks underground.
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Rapid transit on King Street provides much needed service (Liberty Village) and an alternate east/west corridor alternative to the Bloor subway.


The lines provide a grid service to Toronto. This relieves the load at Yonge/Bloor. The route along King St also relieves the load at Union Station.
Surface heavy rail lines on King? Are you joking?

- How does traffic cross?
- Noise for the 100,000+ people that live or work along King
- Safety of pedestrian crossings?
 

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Surface heavy rail lines on King? Are you joking?

- How does traffic cross?
- Noise for the 100,000+ people that live or work along King
- Safety of pedestrian crossings?
Collateral damage. Metrolinx must run the trains at the expense of pedestrians/residents.
 

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I'd love to see a 12 car GO train plow through a throng of jaywalking pedestrians at King and Bay.

Oh, and the financial core station would provide connections to both the St Andrew and King Stations at once! bonus! The downtown street grid will be shut down for 5 minutes, every 15 minutes, however, to allow for the trains to pass through.

The trains better watch for the drunks on King West on friday nights. They may throw their smokes puitine at the trains.

They better make sure the train goes around all those left turners at bathurst too.. takes quite a few light cycles to get through there most days.
 
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You guys think they actually put a GO train ROW in the middle of King Street? The more likely scenario is demoshing ALL the buildings on the North or South side of King in order to place double tracks. Cars need to have priority right?
 

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This is my fantasy map(s). I was reading the Waterfront Reset report and it struck me how convoluted and confused all the different schemes were for trying to add a waterfront streetcar network, and how they didn't take advantage of a possible reorganization of the streetcar network due to the presence of the DRL. This is my response for how the waterfront network could be laid out in a way that makes sense to me.

This (http://www1.toronto.ca/planning/3-rightofway-widths.pdf) was used in planning where ROWs were put for "Enhanced Streetcars" or for where "LRTs" were placed.

Downtown

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I envision 3 new routes:

515 - DUFFERIN
Route:

-Follows existing 29 Dufferin route to Dufferin gates

Grade separation:
-sufficient ROW for reserved lanes north of Lawrence

Benefits:
-upgrades busiest surface route to increase capacity/comfort

518 - BREMNER
Route:

-Starts from DRL station, goes south to dufferin gates, east to service Exhibition, then goes under the Gardiner -> Fort York -> Bremner -> Union station
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Grade separation:
-from Fort York east, descends into a cut-and-cover tunnel (room for stations has been provisioned for in buildings along the route)

Benefits:
-provides long planned for Bremner LRT
-services SouthCore and big events (CNE grounds, BMO fields, Skydome)

516 - BROADVIEW
Route:

-South from Broadview station to Unilever DRL station. Follows extension of Broadview avenue south to commissioners
-West from there to Cherry, then up Cherry ROW to terminate at Sumach DRL station.

Grade separation:
-South and West of Unilever DRL station, entire route is in separate ROW

Benefits:
-Serves Unilever development (like Southcore, new CBD planned à la Canary Wharf in London)
-people heading downtown would transfer at DRL, so route isn't indirect compared to other schemes
-provides direct route to subway for people in the portlands

509 - HARBOURFRONT (The naming is retained but the route is different)
Route:
-West from Leslie along Commissioners, north on Cherry, west on Queen's Quay, west on fleet, terminates at Marilyn Bell Park.
-Serves entire waterfront from east to west
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Grade separation:
-Entire line in ROW

Benefits:
-East/West transit link for waterfront

Toronto West

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Bloor-Danforth line has been extended one station west to Cloverdale take advantage of the Cloverdale lands being offered, to allow space for a massive bus terminus with direct access to the 427. It is the logic end point for Dundas Street BRT (not pictured).

One new route:
517 - Queensway
Route:

-West from DRL Sunnyside station in Queensway ROW
-Continues along Queensway until Sherway gardens, loops at Sherway gardens

Grade separation:
-Entire route in separate ROW
-Underground connection with DRL station
-Depending on redevelopment of Sherway, above/below grade station at terminus

Advantages
-Promotes TOD in undeveloped "Avenue" without higher order transit
-Strong anchors

508 Lakeshore

This route now terminates at Sunnyside DRL station, so there is no more awkward transfer point at Humber bay between Lakshore and Queen. I found it silly how all the different EAs for WWLRT look at ways to get across the Gardiner, onto Lakshore, etc., when it makes much more sense to truncate it at the DRL and let them either A) transfer to the subway B) transfer to GO or C) transfer to the 504, which is in a transit mall through downtown.
Because the line is much shorter and is in a ROW for its entire length, service should be much more frequent and headways better managed.

Toronto North West

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Salient Points:
  • Dufferin upgrade to streetcar, as described above, to support intensification of corridor. Separate ROW north of Lawrence.
  • 512 St. Clair ROW extended west to Scarlet Road and then south west along Dundas to terminate at Kipling station, to support the 6 point redevelopment.
  • Jane LRT, rather than continuing south from Eglinton (where ROW constrains means it would have to be buried) operates as a branch of the Eglinton LRT (half of the trains from Mount Dennis continue west to the airport, half go north). Jane LRT terminates at TYSSE station Pioneer village at Steeles.
  • DRL is extended north from Keele to Mount Dennis, providing service to the Junction and reactivated cross-town RER line in the process.
  • Sheppard subway is continued west to Sheppard west station, where it interlines. Southbound from Vaughn Centre, half of the trains would go east at Sheppard towards Don Mills and the other half would continue downtown. This extension has the added operational benefit of making the Wilson Yards accessible to the Yonge line.
  • Finch West LRT is extended east to terminate at Yonge & Finch. It's extended south and west to the airport via Rexdale (intersecting Malton GO).
  • Eglinton West LRT is extended to the airport, with a maximum of grade separations. Connection to Missisauga transitway not shown.
 

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