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Fifth Segment: Downtown West - Phase 2
Targets: 1) Exhibition. 2) King West
This is about 3 km, with several possible routes, with about 3 stations.

Either along Rail corridor, or up to King. either going over GO and under Gardiner near Strachan, going west to near Dufferin, and over both corridors.
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Sixth Segment: Malvern - Phase 2
Targets: 1) Centennial. 2) Malvern

This is about 6 km, with 4 stations. Essentially following the approved LRT route, but going up to Finch.
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Second Segment: (South-East) North York
Targets: 1) ECLRT Interchange. 2) Other Stops
This is about 6 km, with several possible routes, with about 2 stations.

With ECLRT not being grade-separated, it makes it difficult to find a strong preference on where to cross Eglinton. Vic Park makes some sense as the busiest location, but it means another crossing of the hydro corridor. Near Leslie, alongside the CPR is easiest bus misses serving Flemindon. At Wynford, through the Don Valley is another option.

Depending on exact routing of DRL, could have an interchange at Don Mills/CPR, or at Science Centre, or leave the interchange for the Thorncliffe area.
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Third Segment: Thorncliffe and Don Valley
Targets: 1) Thorncliffe
This is about 4 km, with only 1 station.

The only stop here is at East York Centre Mall. Depending on DRL alignment, an interchange could be made with the DRL could be made, although near Science Centre is another possibility. The other goal here is to find a route that is fast, inexpensive, and disturbed the fewest number of NIMBY's.
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I like the CPR alignment through Leslie the best. It is perfectly placed for massive redevelopment of the whole Don Mills north of Eglinton (Celestica grounds and surrounding area) site. If Toronto is truly going to have explosive population growth by 2040, this is an area where I think we must convert a lot of brownfield sites and employment lands into denser residential lands. The station location is also neatly in between Lawrence and Eglinton on Don Mills, so interchange with the Relief Line is warranted too.

I wouldn't worry about serving Flemingdon Park with this line. The Relief Line would take care of that no problem.

As for alignment south of Thorncliffe Park, depending on the type of vehicle intended for this line, I would simply have it take the DRL tunnel and branch it off to Union after crossing the Don River.
 

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Using the Vancouver model, this transit line would be fully grade-separated, and elevated for its entire length. Some very short at-grade segments may be possible within the Don Valley, but not enough to achieve any real cost savings. I tried to stay away from residential areas when in low density area. When in residential areas, a stop within 1 kilometer is required - a benefit to put up with having an elevated line. Pick coridors that have not previously been expecting underground subway, so it will be viewed as improved transit from what was previously offered. I would assume the capacity target would be about 30k ppdph, which would require about 100m long trains (and stations) and 100 second frequency.

So overall, we have the following

Phase 1: 22km and 16 Stations and 22 kilometres added to the SRT for a total of 24km and 18 stations.
Phase 2: Extensions with 3km and 3 stations West and 6km and 4 stations north-east.

Cost. $100M/km for elevated track, and $60M per elevated station. Add $20M for each interchange station. Add $100M for SRT rehab. Add $500M for a train yard, likely in the Don Valley.

Phase 1: $3.8B. (This compares to between $3.2B for the 1 stop subway and $4.3B for the 3 stop subway).
Phase 2: $600M and $800M.
Total: $5.2B.

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I like the CPR alignment through Leslie the best. It is perfectly placed for massive redevelopment of the whole Don Mills north of Eglinton (Celestica grounds and surrounding area) site. If Toronto is truly going to have explosive population growth by 2040, this is an area where I think we must convert a lot of brownfield sites and employment lands into denser residential lands. The station location is also neatly in between Lawrence and Eglinton on Don Mills, so interchange with the Relief Line is warranted too.

I wouldn't worry about serving Flemingdon Park with this line. The Relief Line would take care of that no problem.

As for alignment south of Thorncliffe Park, depending on the type of vehicle intended for this line, I would simply have it take the DRL tunnel and branch it off to Union after crossing the Don River.
I am not very good with names, and stole (borrowed) this concept from someone here (and likely you). I know I have seen it just a week or so ago. I wanted a transit line with fairly high capacity and was a bit worried that making this a branch of the DRL would restrict that capacity of this branch and the branch up Don Mills to Finch to about 15k. I see this branch being a bit more heavily used than 15k (maybe 25k). I also see the Don Mills branch needing even higher capacity (likely 30k+), since it is expected to greatly relieve Yonge when it is extended to Finch (or even highway 7).
 

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Assuming DRL and SSE based on most recent proposals:

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AWESOME map! Well done!

Only a few things I would change / add… for the relief line, wouldn’t the Pape station be renamed Danforth-Pape? It is on the Danforth. I suspect Queen-Pape will be named Queen East. I’d love to see the Eglinton Crosstown East line added.
 

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AWESOME map! Well done!

Only a few things I would change / add… for the relief line, wouldn’t the Pape station be renamed Danforth-Pape? It is on the Danforth. I suspect Queen-Pape will be named Queen East. I’d love to see the Eglinton Crosstown East line added.
Don't count on it. Knowing the TTC of late they'll just leave the station named as Pape because a few idiots would get confused if they renamed the station properly. See Eglinton station not being renamed Eglinton-Yonge.
 

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Don't count on it. Knowing the TTC of late they'll just leave the station named as Pape because a few idiots would get confused if they renamed the station properly. See Eglinton station not being renamed Eglinton-Yonge.
That's Metrolinx's doing actually.
 

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Last night found myself looking at the Washington Metro map (pdf), and think I've decided that it's one of my favourite subway maps in terms of its style. It has a bit of a bulky retro look similar to ours, but seems to have a cleaner approach and better use of standards. And with its use of interlining, it got me thinking about how our map could look if we interlined Lines 1 and 2 (naturally making an extra line in the process). Not really my fantasy, and doubt there's much value in going back to a Bloor-Danforth / Yonge-University interline. But I think it's cool to see displayed.

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Either go down Sherbourne with an interchange at Sherbourne/Bloor, or continue down the Don Valley with a Gondola interchange with Castle Frank.
Gondola interchange? Keep dreaming.

Last night found myself looking at the Washington Metro map (pdf), and think I've decided that it's one of my favourite subway maps in terms of its style. It has a bit of a bulky retro look similar to ours, but seems to have a cleaner approach and better use of standards. And with its use of interlining, it got me thinking about how our map could look if we interlined Lines 1 and 2 (naturally making an extra line in the process). Not really my fantasy, and doubt there's much value in going back to a Bloor-Danforth / Yonge-University interline. But I think it's cool to see displayed.

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*edit to update x-town names, terminii, realign Bay
I'm fine with trying the interlining again, but not at the expense of the University-Spadina line. You could also try something like, building a connection from Lower Bay to Wellesley, to send some trains down Yonge.

I'd like to see a map where the DRL is interlined with YUS to create something like Chicago's Loop.
 

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Here's my Scarborough fantasy map. Key points:

-The RT is kept as RT or LRT, using the original plan to extend to Malvern. Ideally a cross-platform interchange with the BD.
-Crosstown, Eglinton East, and Finch become a continuous loop around the city (through the Airport in the west).
-Sheppard is extended: either subway, LRT, RT, whatever. It would underground from Don Mills to Agincourt Smartrack station, then follows the RT corridor to Scarborough Town Centre. An east extension along Ellesmere would be elevated, connecting UTSc, maybe an extra stop at Port Union to pick up Durham commuters.
 

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I'm fine with trying the interlining again, but not at the expense of the University-Spadina line. You could also try something like, building a connection from Lower Bay to Wellesley, to send some trains down Yonge.

I'd like to see a map where the DRL is interlined with YUS to create something like Chicago's Loop.
I wasn't really advocating it, just interested to see how it looked. Kinda neat that it wouldn't really require any added infrastructure (with the exception of maybe a new crossover just north of St George station). Definitely wouldn't advocate connecting Lower Bay to Wellesley...sounds expensive. However a ciculator as part of the DRL is no doubt an intriguing concept. Not sure how optimal/efficient it'd be, but with proper wyes in place it may not even require that much added infrastructure.
 

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