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Would the Cherry streetcar would go down to the Portlands and then back up Broadview. That may reduce the need for this branching?
 

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Would the Cherry streetcar would go down to the Portlands and then back up Broadview. That may reduce the need for this branching?
I think it would depend on whether it's financially worth it to connect the Cherry spur, and what level of development is projected. 3C is obviously a big potential, though we haven't heard much from them. And an Expo is always a possibility. As for Broadview, I don't see much problem with continuing the streetcar south to Commissioners even with a subway. Every square inch of the South of Eastern and Port Lands area will be rebuilt to the nines regardless, so it really shouldn't cost that much to lay streetcar tracks.
 
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Hello - after years of lurking these boards my first post is a request to all the transit cartographers in the room:

Would someone be so kind as to prepare a realistic fantasy map with this alignment and extensions north and west, along with existing/proposed GO services, streetcar routes and LRT routes? Bonus points of someone can draft a Queen Street trunk subway with branches up to Don Mills, Kingston Road, the GTRC and the Queensway...

Many thanks.

As an aside, I think this alignment and station placement is great. It would be nice to see the Queen East, King, and Long Branch streetcars eventually get a Spadina/St. Clair ROW treatment as the DRL is extended west along Queen and then north to the Stockyards and Eglinton Flats via Dundas West. This would, in my opinion provide superior east west movement along the waterfront and downtown core.
 

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Finch West would be open before the DRL opens, and perhaps the Crosstown extensions as well.

I'd assume they'll just draw a straight line between Kennedy and Scarborough Centre.
 

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Finch West would be open before the DRL opens, and perhaps the Crosstown extensions as well.
From the recently posted timelines, both Finch West and Crosstown extensions will likely be open before the DRL starts construction.
 

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Assuming DRL and SSE based on most recent proposals:

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What's wrong with the current name of Osgoode? I can't see it being changed into a hyphenated, 6-syllable name when it's already unique and there's no risk of confusion when you're on the DRL.

If anything, it would be awesome if the TTC dug up its "University Line Renaissance" below the line budget item and renovated Queen like it did to Museum, the plan being to change Osgoode to "Opera", and maybe make it resemble something like the Moscow metro.
 

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I was flipping through some images from the 1984 DRL report and stumbled on a map I wasn't aware of (showing a spur to the Exhibition site with all alignments). Just like with the current City/TTC study, ~30yrs ago planners also chose to ignore the western portion of the DRL to instead focus on the Pape to downtown section as the first phase. So I guess we'll never know the feasibility of branching the mainline. Either way I think it's interesting that a spur was once envisioned, and believe it lends credence to the idea. If such a thing could be considered again - specifically for the East Harbour / Port Lands - maybe we can do away with the current circuitous B1-Eastern/Queen alignment.

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Scarborough Subway will cost $3B to $4.5B depending on the number of stations and the route. It got me thinking - is there a better use of that money that serves the same goals. Those being, to connect STC to downtown (Bloor or south), with a fast, reliable, continuous service. The best way to solve the problem is to make as much of the line elevated as possible, although there are some possibilities for full grade-separation at-grade in the Don Valley. Learning from the Davenport experience, if elevated transit is proposed next to residences, there must be a station within 1km - if they are to "suffer" from having a transit line, they need the benefit of a station.
Here is what I came up with (although it is far from optimized).
  • Existing SRT curve onto Midland, with a station at Midland/Ellesmere
  • South on Midland to Lawrence, with a station at Lawrence/GO (SmartTrack, RER, GO Interchange)
  • West on Lawrence to CPR, with stations at Birchmount, Warden, and Vic Park
  • Follow the CPR corridor (either above it, or elevated immediately north of it) to Don Valley East
  • Follow East Don River to St. Dennis Road, with a station at Wynford (ECLRT Interchange)
  • West on St. Dennis Road to Ontario Science Centre, with a station at Science Centre (Interchange with DRL)
  • South along West Don River to Overlea Blvd.
  • West on Overlea to Millwood Road, with a Station at East York Town Centre (possible Interchange with DRL)
  • Straight through Millwood to Don Valley and follow roughly Don River and Bayview
  • Continue under Bloor, and curve West along south side of Rosedale Valley Road.
  • Curve south at Sherbourne with a station at Bloor/Sherbourne (Interchange with B-D Line 2)
  • South on Sherbourne to The Esplanade*, with Stations at Wellesley, Gerrard, Queen (Interchange with DRL), and King
  • West on The Esplanade* to Union, with Station at Union Bus Station
In total, there are 14 stations and 22 kilometres (plus a couple of kilometres at the North end, re-using the SRT from Midland to McCowan).
In rough number, that's 22km x $150M/km = $3.3B, plus 14 stations x $50M each = $700M. Total = $4B.

* - I also though about taking Wellington or Front through downtown. This line should make its way to the CNE (Liberty Village, King West), but I haven't figured this out yet.
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My GTHA transit map: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qTb0qx4UsOeTSFFM9uiQMU7J7w4&usp=sharing

A few features to highlight:

GO/RER - Service to Peterborough via a midtown RER line, Bolton, Collingwood
Subway - DRL west alignment up Lansdowne as I suggested in the DRL thread, VCC to STC via Sheppard (Line 1 stops at Downsview in this instance), Bloor line to Cookeville GO
LRT - Dufferin line
Legacy Streetcar - significant expansion throughout the inner city
BRT - meh...

Station locations are not contemplated however there are some fairly obvious interchanges. Pretty sure I have a the Waterloo and Hamilton alignments wrong and yes, I am missing the new 514 service however with the DRL and Dufferin LRT I'm not sure this would be needed.
 

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I was trying to break down the transit line to Scarborough into several chunks. Essentially, we want to connect Scarborough to Toronto.

First Segment: Scarborough.
Targets: 1) STC. 2) GO-RER, ST. 3) Other Stops
This is about 6 km, either along Ellesmere or Lawrence, with about 5 new stations plus the existing 2 stations at STC and McCowan.

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Second Segment: (South-East) North York
Targets: 1) ECLRT Interchange. 2) Other Stops
This is about 6 km, with several possible routes, with about 2 stations.

With ECLRT not being grade-separated, it makes it difficult to find a strong preference on where to cross Eglinton. Vic Park makes some sense as the busiest location, but it means another crossing of the hydro corridor. Near Leslie, alongside the CPR is easiest bus misses serving Flemindon. At Wynford, through the Don Valley is another option.

Depending on exact routing of DRL, could have an interchange at Don Mills/CPR, or at Science Centre, or leave the interchange for the Thorncliffe area.
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Third Segment: Thorncliffe and Don Valley
Targets: 1) Thorncliffe
This is about 4 km, with only 1 station.

The only stop here is at East York Centre Mall. Depending on DRL alignment, an interchange could be made with the DRL could be made, although near Science Centre is another possibility. The other goal here is to find a route that is fast, inexpensive, and disturbed the fewest number of NIMBY's.
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Fourth Segment: Downtown
Targets: 1) B-D Interchange. 2) DRL Interchange. 3) YUS Interchange. 4) Downtown.
This is about 6 km, with several possible routes, with about 8 stations.

Either go down Sherbourne with an interchange at Sherbourne/Bloor, or continue down the Don Valley with a Gondola interchange with Castle Frank. Then an interchange with the DRL, either at Unilever, Sumach, or Sherbourne. It would go through downtown either on The Esplanade, Front, or Wellington. The interchange with YUS would either be Union or King and St. Andrew.
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