Transit City Plan

[prosperegal]

Question: Does anyone know WHY Eglinton isn't the first Transit City line being built? According to Wikipedia, it's going to be the third line to open. Why is it Sheppard? I would have thought that a crosstown line along midtown would be more important than Sheppard.

 

[kEiThZ]

Question: Does anyone know WHY Eglinton isn't the first Transit City line being built? According to Wikipedia, it's going to be the third line to open. Why is it Sheppard? I would have thought that a crosstown line along midtown would be more important than Sheppard.

1) Best move to kill the Sheppard subway extension.
2) Probably one of the easier lines to build.
3) Provides service in a vital corridor with connection to a major hub (STC)
4) Enables the construction of other lines like the SRT replacement and the SM LRT.
5) Best move to kill the Sheppard subway extension.

 

[Dan416]

Question: Does anyone know WHY Eglinton isn't the first Transit City line being built? According to Wikipedia, it's going to be the third line to open. Why is it Sheppard? I would have thought that a crosstown line along midtown would be more important than Sheppard.

Because the city is intent on lobotomizing the Sheppard Subway line due to ill-will toward Mel Lastman.

 

[nfitz]

Why is it Sheppard? I would have thought that a crosstown line along midtown would be more important than Sheppard.

Eglinton just isn't ready. Construction starts in a few weeks, and they are still arguing about technology for Eglinton ... if Eglinton had been up first, it couldn't start as early.

Of course the conspiracy theorists will tell you it's all about the Sheppard subway ..., the grassy knoll, and Kennedy ...

 

[jamesbow]

Eglinton is harder to build, being as the central portion has to go underground. So, even though it has been identified as a priority, along with Sheppard East and Finch West, it's going to take longer to build and open later.

Sheppard East is a pretty simple build (with the exception of the connection to the current subway, which is why this thing is being built from the east end, west), and with the EA complete, shovels can be in the ground later this year. EAs are also almost complete for Finch West and Eglinton.

 

[jamesbow]

And I do have to say that I find these conspiracy theories to be tedious and it really harms the credibility of the discussion here. No one is out to get Mel Lastman, and many of the people supporting the Sheppard East LRT were just a couple of years ago advocating for the completion of the Sheppard subway. Yes, even Adam Giambrone himself.

It's been said that you should never ascribe malicious intent when mere incompetence will do. Budgetary reasons would be a good second reason, here. It's cheaper to build the Sheppard East line than to finish the Sheppard subway, and unless Dalton McGuinty comes forward and shows us the money, it makes more sense to spread the dollars around and make smaller improvements over a wider area.

Anyway, that's just my opinion.

Best,
James

 

[CDL.TO]

Future benefit of Light Rail to Rouge Park? Wildlife commutes to you!

 

[scarberiankhatru]

The eastern half of Sheppard East was never a priority, isn't crippled by traffic, doesn't have overcrowded buses, isn't realistic Avenues fodder, will serve few people and solves no pressing transit problem.

 

[W. K. Lis]

The eastern half of Sheppard East was never a priority, isn't crippled by traffic, doesn't have overcrowded buses, isn't realistic Avenues fodder, will serve few people and solves no pressing transit problem.

...yet. It will.

In July 18, 1922, the Township of North York is created out of the Township of York because the township was getting too urbanized. The residents of North York wanted it remain farms and rural villages. It became a city in February 14, 1979. So much to keeping rural.

 

[Prometheus The Supremo]

i believe that is how it's done in soviet russia.

Future benefit of Light Rail to Rouge Park? Wildlife commutes to you!

 

[adma]

So, what station did he get on at? Acme?

 

[W. K. Lis]

So, what station did he get on at? Acme?

What's the closet station to The Beach?

 

[scarberiankhatru]

...yet. It will.

In July 18, 1922, the Township of North York is created out of the Township of York because the township was getting too urbanized. The residents of North York wanted it remain farms and rural villages. It became a city in February 14, 1979. So much to keeping rural.

It will...what? Be a pointless, unused white elephant and a massive waste of hundreds of millions of dollars?

Is this like urbantoronto Mad Libs? Quote someone at random and respond even randomer?

 

[Hipster Duck]

...yet. It will.

In July 18, 1922, the Township of North York is created out of the Township of York because the township was getting too urbanized. The residents of North York wanted it remain farms and rural villages. It became a city in February 14, 1979. So much to keeping rural.

Lis, you have basically disproven your own point. The urbanization of North York was an unstoppable force that was apparent to the residents of that bucolic community in 1922. What scarberian is rightly pointing out is that the far eastern parts of Sheppard is not undergoing any developmental change right now and therefore should not be considered very highly on a list of transit projects for the region, some of which are incredibly urgent.

 

[scarberiankhatru]

Lis, you have basically disproven your own point. The urbanization of North York was an unstoppable force that was apparent to the residents of that bucolic community in 1922. What scarberian is rightly pointing out is that the far eastern parts of Sheppard is not undergoing any developmental change right now and therefore should not be considered very highly on a list of transit projects for the region, some of which are incredibly urgent.

Sheppard's not the only project proposed for the area though...another Transfer City line, an SRT extension, and new GO service will all be pretty much within walking distance of each other and the area's static population (soon to be declining population, once demographics rear their ugly head).