Johnny Au
Senior Member
Some of the parking lots at Wilson station became condo development. Perhaps one of the bus terminals could be made into retail (all because of Downsview Airport).
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Transportfan
Senior Member
I think the Vaughan station will be busy with the condos and office buildings going up, never mind the bus connections, especially Zum. More YRT riders will transfer there than at PV Station.
goreckm
Active Member
I think it all depends on how they charge the double fare north of Steeles. If it's double fare + YRT or Zum, this station will make Bessarion look like Union in comparison. I guess time will tell.
Hopkins123
Senior Member
I'm positive a person boarding at Vaughan Centre or 407 Transitway stations will pay the same single $2.90 Presto/$3.25 cash fare as anyone boarding from within Toronto's borders.
As for Pioneer "Village", since when did a village warrant a subway stop? The inanity of Maria Augimeri's naming choice over the far more conventional Steeles West still haunts us to this day.
TJ O'Pootertoot
Senior Member
The issue, I think, isn't that it's a VILLAGE but that it's not directly adjacent. Having a "Science Centre" station on the Crosstown makes perfect sense, for example. But "Pioneer Village" could have been more accurately called "York University Track and Field" or "UPS Parking Lot."
(Even in the case of Science Centre, Don Mills is really just where the parking lot ends so that one is debatable too; but at least PART of the centre is there. Maybe when the Celestica site is redeveloped, not calling it Don Mills will seem sillier but it at least makes some sense.)
But the core issue was the process. I forget all the details but TTC has an actual naming policy and, over the course of like a year, tossed it out the window. Changing Downsview made sense and when Vaughan changed from VCC to VMC it was a fair request by Vaughan to call the station that (despite all the syllables) but that request touched off a whole, "Wait - we can just change the names to whatever we want??" frenzy. They rendered their own policy meaningless. I don't even know if it's still on the books in any form. (You can see it on P.4 of this 2010 document.)
Yeah, it's a stupid name given the geographic context, especially given how rarely (e.g. Museum) TTC uses a name that's not an intersection. But it's done and, really, over the long term who cares? Heck, Black Creek is a nice place to take the kids so maybe it will have the side effect of bringing a few more people up there. They'll have a bit of a surprising walk once they're upstairs but still...
(Even in the case of Science Centre, Don Mills is really just where the parking lot ends so that one is debatable too; but at least PART of the centre is there. Maybe when the Celestica site is redeveloped, not calling it Don Mills will seem sillier but it at least makes some sense.)
But the core issue was the process. I forget all the details but TTC has an actual naming policy and, over the course of like a year, tossed it out the window. Changing Downsview made sense and when Vaughan changed from VCC to VMC it was a fair request by Vaughan to call the station that (despite all the syllables) but that request touched off a whole, "Wait - we can just change the names to whatever we want??" frenzy. They rendered their own policy meaningless. I don't even know if it's still on the books in any form. (You can see it on P.4 of this 2010 document.)
Yeah, it's a stupid name given the geographic context, especially given how rarely (e.g. Museum) TTC uses a name that's not an intersection. But it's done and, really, over the long term who cares? Heck, Black Creek is a nice place to take the kids so maybe it will have the side effect of bringing a few more people up there. They'll have a bit of a surprising walk once they're upstairs but still...
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Must not forget that Steeles Avenue is in the middle of suburban sprawl. By sprawl, we mean usually asphalt or private landscaping where we are forbidden to walk on.
"Pioneer Village" itself is actually at the southwest corner of Steeles Avenue West and Murray Ross Parkway.
"Pioneer Village" itself is actually at the southwest corner of Steeles Avenue West and Murray Ross Parkway.
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You mean people won't be able to walk 5 minutes (if that) to Pioneer Village?
W. K. Lis
Superstar
In the suburbs, everything is further apart and takes longer to walk to.
CapitalSeven
Senior Member
It's half a mile. 10 minutes, more with tots.
Johnny Au
Senior Member
At least the UPS distribution centre is getting its own subway station.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
alos don't forget the entrance to pioneer village isn't on Steeles West it's off of a side street then you would have to walk through the parking lot to get to it. It's not like taking the bis to the Zoo where the TTC loop is right at the main entrance.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Pioneer Village was designed for the suburban automobile. Hopefully, they are planning for a better access when the Pioneer Village Station opens. (Ditto for the Science Centre Station when the Eglinton Crosstown LRT opens.)
TransitBart
Senior Member
What is up with a Science Centre Station? I drive through Don Mills and Eglinton daily.
TransitBart
Senior Member
Far too much scepticism here. Who knows whether it will rain tomorrow? Five and seven and ten years in the future is a long time. Hey 407 is shown on the city's Jane LRT 15 year plan and VMC could be the east terminus of a Bra Lyon Queen Street LRT. Far Fetched? Yes, given the record of the past forty years. No, if we don't want to throttle the golden goose in the GTHA. Stars are aligning, folks.
Irishmonk
Senior Member
Why don't they move the village so it's closer to the station entrance? Wouldn't be that expensive considering they sunk a quarter of billion dollars into a station that ostensibly serves an attraction worth a fraction that cost.