Transportfan
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Ever see a naturalized creek running through a city core? Garrison Creek was buried for a reason. I know you can't just bury creeks nowadays, but still.
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TJ O'Pootertoot
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I dunno. Chicago has a whole fricking river running through its core. So does Paris. So does London. Pretty well-regarded cities.
None of those rivers are "naturalized," sure, but then we're naturalizing the mouth of the Don and the Toronto Islands are pretty close to the core.
Central Park has a reservoir and a pond and a forest and a lake where you can rent a boat...
I'm not really clear what makes a naturalized creek out of place or why, 100 years later, we act like burying watercourses in tunnels, or eliminating them entirely, was a good thing? I actually thought it's kind of the opposite and that's why the city's ravines, which run awful close to the core in parts, are being added to the Greenbelt and, more generally, celebrated.
No one's talking about creating a patch of wilderness but there is nothing inconsistent with natural (or naturalized) greenspace in an urban core. The notion that Vaughan should bury (i.e. hide) the creek rather than restore it, in an area already lacking natural greenspaces strikes me as very retrograde thinking.
None of those rivers are "naturalized," sure, but then we're naturalizing the mouth of the Don and the Toronto Islands are pretty close to the core.
Central Park has a reservoir and a pond and a forest and a lake where you can rent a boat...
I'm not really clear what makes a naturalized creek out of place or why, 100 years later, we act like burying watercourses in tunnels, or eliminating them entirely, was a good thing? I actually thought it's kind of the opposite and that's why the city's ravines, which run awful close to the core in parts, are being added to the Greenbelt and, more generally, celebrated.
No one's talking about creating a patch of wilderness but there is nothing inconsistent with natural (or naturalized) greenspace in an urban core. The notion that Vaughan should bury (i.e. hide) the creek rather than restore it, in an area already lacking natural greenspaces strikes me as very retrograde thinking.
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W. K. Lis
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That's one of the most interesting buried rivers in the city. It's been put in this absolutely massive tunnel and taken out of its original river course to instead connect with Yellow Creek east of Mt Pleasant. Along the way it has a series of high waterfalls, chambers, and catwalks as it comes down the escarpment. A must-see for the intrepid urban explorer. http://www.vanishingpoint.ca/spadina-storm-trunk-sewer
Transportfan
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A false comparison extraordinaire! I'd hardly compare Black Creek with the Thames passing through London. It's hardly a ditch running along a central London street which is what the Black Creek running along Jane St basically is and will probably always will be. And Toronto's ravines are isolated from the urban fabric, not interwoven directly into it.
As I said, they can't just bury creeks anymore, but it will hardly look urban in the classic urban waterway sense.
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CapitalSeven
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Isn't that the place in Korea where they tore down their Gardiner Expressway? No, I must be confused, that can't be done.
AlvinofDiaspar
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Yes, it's Cheonggyecheon in Seoul.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheonggyecheon
And a look at how it happened:
http://grist.org/infrastructure/2011-04-04-seoul-korea-tears-down-an-urban-highway-life-goes-on/
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cplchanb
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ok i think we need to get back on track....this is getting pretty OT....
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Um, is this thread specific to the Pioneer Village station, or the broader TYSSE? I don't remember subscribing to the former.
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The TYSSE is being renamed the "Pioneer Village Subway Extension", as it is the most important destination serviced by this otherwise useless subway extension
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We toured Pioneer Village Station last week, and here's the resulting story: http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2016/08/inside-ttcs-will-alsop-designed-pioneer-village-station
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Dan416
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Nothing can convince me that this station name has a lick of sense. I hate it.
Love the station building itself though.
Love the station building itself though.
TransitBart
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Love the large and interesting station designs. Sour grapes to the "could have been cheaper / smaller crowd". How petty. I hate shitty and boring public works. There are people who will pass through these stations (very soon) and the station will be the most interesting thing they see that day. Public works should be uplifting. A little vision never hurt. Do I believe that this six station segment will be underused and that it's overbuilt? Not for a second.