cplchanb
Senior Member
MAYBE only if construction was managed by a competent private builder instead of ML and their usual suspects of incompetent CMs.
good luck seeing it open until closer to 2030
|
|
|
good luck seeing it open until closer to 2030
tiffer24
Senior Member
The repeatedly delayed and over-budget Eglinton Crosstown LRT is being held up by some 260 quality control issues and there is still no credible timeline for its completion, the head of Ontario's provincial transit agency said Thursday.
At an unrelated transit announcement in Toronto, Metrolinx CEO Phil Verster offered up his most detailed public explanation to date of the myriad problems plaguing the 25-stop, 19-km mega project. The light rail line was slated to finally open last fall after nearly 12 years of construction and multiple earlier delays.
"My biggest concern is that the quality is right and we get a safe transit system. We are building infrastructure here for the next 100, 150 years, and we've got to get it right," Verster said alongside Minister of Transportation Caroline Mulroney.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/eglinton-crosstown-delays-verster-metrolinx-1.6824272
At an unrelated transit announcement in Toronto, Metrolinx CEO Phil Verster offered up his most detailed public explanation to date of the myriad problems plaguing the 25-stop, 19-km mega project. The light rail line was slated to finally open last fall after nearly 12 years of construction and multiple earlier delays.
"My biggest concern is that the quality is right and we get a safe transit system. We are building infrastructure here for the next 100, 150 years, and we've got to get it right," Verster said alongside Minister of Transportation Caroline Mulroney.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/eglinton-crosstown-delays-verster-metrolinx-1.6824272
cplchanb
Senior Member
well at least theres SOMETHING mentioned in that theres 260 deficiencies... now come up with a plan to fix them and communicate it to the taxpayers!
"Similarly, CTS's own engineers must certify each part of the work is up to Metrolinx's stated quality standards — a process that is only 20 per cent complete"
coming from actually trying to coordinate with ML as part of my work, i can see why its taking so long. ML has some of the worst red tape processes ive ever experienced.
you cant talk to them directly, even for a simple question. everything must be done via written RFIs and that in itself is both arduous and complicated. their design requirements
are just endless books of word salads.
Voltz
Senior Member
There is nothing regarding a Subway line that is easier to build, the problems are within the underground section, where a subway would have more construction to deal with, because of ;larger and longer underground stations.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
We'll never ride it because they'll ultimately decide to put the whole thing in mothball.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Updated: Final asphalt Paving on Eglinton Avenue West between Park Hill Road and Glenarden Road and on Allen Roads North and South As early as Tuesday, May 2, 2023
From link.
What Work is Taking Place?
As early as Tuesday, May 2, 2023, crews at Cedarvale Station will be performing final asphalt paving on Eglinton Avenue West between Park Hill Road and Glenarden Road and on Allen Roads North and South. To facilitate this work safely, eastbound and westbound traffic on Eglinton Avenue West reduced to one lane in each direction between Park Hill Road and Glenarden. Additionally, Allen Roads North and South will be reduced to one lane. This work will be carried out in three phases and is expected to take place on Monday – Friday between 4:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m., for approximately five (5) days. Significant traffic changes will be in effect, please read carefully this full notice for details.
What to Expect
Roads between Park Hill Road and Glenarden Road will have restricted access for approximately two (2) hours for the duration of the work in the immediate area. Concrete barriers, fencing, and signage will be in place to delineate the work zones. Noise and vibration from construction activity including trucks, asphalt removals, paving, and compacting can be expected. Traffic control personnel and/or a Paid Duty Officer will be present, while this work takes place. One lane of traffic in each direction will be maintained at all times on Eglinton Avenue West. Expect delays while traveling through the area.
HOURS OF WORK
- As early as Tuesday, May 2, 2023, for approximately five (5) days.
- Work is expected to take place on Monday – Friday between 4:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. The approximate duration of each phase is listed below:
- Phase One: This phase is expected to take place on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, for approximately 1.5 days
- Phase Two: This phase is expected to take place on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, for approximately 1.5 days
- Phase Three: This phase is expected to take place on Thursday, May 4, 2023, for approximately 1.5 days
- Work may be rescheduled due to inclement weather and/or unforeseen circumstances.
- This work may be longer or shorter than expected.
TRAFFIC DETAILS
- Phase One: A work zone will be in place on the north side of Eglinton Avenue West between Allen Road North and Allen Road South. Eastbound and westbound traffic on Eglinton Avenue West will be reduced to one lane in each direction between Park Hill Road and Glenarden Road. Traffic on Allen Road North and Allen Road South will be reduced to one lane. Access to Park Hill Road will remain restricted.
- Phase Two: A work zone will be in place on the north side of Eglinton Avenue West between Park Hill Road and Allen Road South and between Allen Road North and Glenarden Road. Eastbound and westbound traffic on Eglinton Avenue West will be reduced to one lane in each direction between Park Hill Road and Glenarden Road. Traffic on Allen Road North and Allen Road South will be reduced to one lane. Access to Park Hill Road will remain restricted.
- Phase Three: A work zone will be in place on the south side of Eglinton Avenue West between Park Hill Road and Glenarden Road and on Park Hill Road. Eastbound and westbound traffic on Eglinton Avenue West will be reduced to one lane in each direction between Park Hill Road and Glenarden Road. Winnett Avenue, Everden Road, Strathearn Road and Flanders Road will have restricted access for approximately two (2) hours for the duration of the work in the immediate area. Periodic lane reductions will be required on Allen Road South
PEDESTRIAN DETAILS
- Temporary pedestrian rerouting may be in effect.
- A flag persons will be present to help direct pedestrians crossing Eglinton Avenue West.
- The sidewalk on the north side of Eglinton Avenue West between the TTC Entrance and Flanders Road will remain restricted.
TRANSIT INFORMATION
- Access to TTC will be maintained at all times.
NotACop123
New Member
Total side track, but I wonder if soon after the LRT opens they'll start discussing plans to convert the underground portion to "light metro" and split the line in 2 segments. idk why but this seems inevitable at some point if demand grows enough.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
I can imagine that as a slogan at some engineering school.
Engineering Disasters: 25 of the Worst Engineering Failures on Record! - EngineeringClicks
Engineering disasters. Why do they happen? Let's look at most famous engineering disasters and the circumstances surrounding them. Engineers must study these in order to prevent catastrophes like these from reoccurring.
www.engineeringclicks.com
T3G
Senior Member
You get what you pay for. If you have governments and corporations that refuse to pay for good quality labour, you won't get good quality labour.
Human greed is flourishing in this neoliberal age in which we live.
cplchanb
Senior Member
in all honesty its actually a systemic problem that we as a society made itself. all the top notch contractors are old and retiring and we are stigmatising skilled trades as a lower class in society.
everyone is trying to be a white collared job and parents are pushing their children to be bankers, lawyers, IT etc that we have a shortage of trades. iirc in the next few years we will be short 1million nationally.
this in a way explains just why construction quality industrywide here has fallen dramatically.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Hold on. Some of these errors could have been detected during the construction process if there was proper oversight. Running a hightail vehicle with measuring devices will tell you that the track is out of spec by 3mm.
Unless that is how it was in the drawings. Then there is lack of oversight there. We didn't have to get to 90% completion to figure that out and be delayed two months. That's just an excuse.
It's poor project management from the beginning or they didn't hire the right people to keep the contractors in compliance.
And as for the concrete that is being ripped up, a construction consultant was on TV saying that the contractors build it wrong on purpose to charge money to fix it. So that probably means they built it to the spec they were told. So it's not their fault that they have to get paid to fix it again. Its not a warranty issue since they did it to spec, if the spec is wrong that's not their problem.
What should have happened is before they poured it, have both parties check that the spec was right on paper and that it met the actual design requirements and fixed it at that point. But if they do that they don't get to charge the province twice. Proper oversight by knowledgeable people costs money, but fixing it after is likely more expensive.
And the excuse that they inherited this poorly managed project from a "liberal" government is crap. It was Doug Ford's own brother that forced the province to build it underground. If it was built the way it was intended, it would have been finished three years ago.
Amare
Senior Member
For my 5000th post (wow how time flies) i'd like to take some time to congratulate all parties involved in this disaster fiasco of a project.
Most especially the Ontario Liberals and Conservatives, in addition to Metrolinx for ensuring that this project ran so off course with practically almost no repercussions to the private companies involved. They never let us down when it comes down to major infrastructure projects.
Just imagine if the delays are this bad with the Crosstown Line, Union Station probably wont be finished construction until 2100 the way Metrolinx and the government holds no one to account for anything.
Most especially the Ontario Liberals and Conservatives, in addition to Metrolinx for ensuring that this project ran so off course with practically almost no repercussions to the private companies involved. They never let us down when it comes down to major infrastructure projects.
Just imagine if the delays are this bad with the Crosstown Line, Union Station probably wont be finished construction until 2100 the way Metrolinx and the government holds no one to account for anything.
T3G
Senior Member
Lack of funds isn't an issue, no. But this is what happens when you give the contracts to the lowest bidder.
If you want results, you have to pay more for someone who actually gives a damn. You wouldn't be getting 260 quality control issues if the project was being delivered by people who in any way cared.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
How in hell do you lay nearly 30 km of dual track and not see that it’s out of spec? Haven’t we been running the LRT on test for several months now?