TransitBart
Senior Member
Not hard to do. Buy the 60 cars we need to bolster the fleet in a version like this. King street did not have the pilot eight years back. Conditions have changed. New larger vehicle for large demand.
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Not hard to do. Buy the 60 cars we need to bolster the fleet in a version like this. King street did not have the pilot eight years back. Conditions have changed. New larger vehicle for large demand.
cplchanb
Senior Member
what is the schedule for major work east of dvp? I was driving from 404 to warden and there was no major construction activity save cones that were lined along the road.
With 3 years to go I am starting to become concerned that they are either pushing it tight or they are already behind schedule? The viva ROW stretches even at their efficient
pace too 3 years from start. given that ect is much more involving since it is lrt on a well established road im not optimistic that they can deliver in time at this point.
It would seem like this is heading towards another construction management setback
edit: 404=> dvp
With 3 years to go I am starting to become concerned that they are either pushing it tight or they are already behind schedule? The viva ROW stretches even at their efficient
pace too 3 years from start. given that ect is much more involving since it is lrt on a well established road im not optimistic that they can deliver in time at this point.
It would seem like this is heading towards another construction management setback
edit: 404=> dvp
innsertnamehere
Superstar
East of the 404? You mean DVP? Large scale construction begins this summer from my understanding. The work only takes 3 years IIRC, so it is starting later than the tunneled portion of the project. They have been doing utility relocates for a while now.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
With the Crosstown LRT, they plan to have three (3) connections with GO trains. At Mt. Dennis (Kitchener Line), Caledonia (Barrie Line), and Kennedy (Stouffville Line).
According to the Relief Line North website (at this link), there is another GO Train line that was not considered.
Here is the current GO Train map for the Richmond Hill Line, from link:
The Richmond Hill Line passes the Crosstown LRT between the Wynford & Sloane stops. While they may not require a connection in 4 years time, they should make a provision for a further connection in a decade or two, between the LRT and the Richmond Hill GO train.
After first getting a better connection at the Richmond Hill Oriole GO Station and the Leslie Subway Line 4 Station, of course.
According to the Relief Line North website (at this link), there is another GO Train line that was not considered.
Here is the current GO Train map for the Richmond Hill Line, from link:
The Richmond Hill Line passes the Crosstown LRT between the Wynford & Sloane stops. While they may not require a connection in 4 years time, they should make a provision for a further connection in a decade or two, between the LRT and the Richmond Hill GO train.
After first getting a better connection at the Richmond Hill Oriole GO Station and the Leslie Subway Line 4 Station, of course.
hw621
Senior Member
Richmond Hill GO is not getting AD2W soon. So a connection to Crosstown is not a priority.With the Crosstown LRT, they plan to have three (3) connections with GO trains. At Mt. Dennis (Kitchener Line), Caledonia (Barrie Line), and Kennedy (Stouffville Line).
According to the Relief Line North website (at this link), there is another GO Train line that was not considered.
Here is the current GO Train map for the Richmond Hill Line, from link:
The Richmond Hill Line passes the Crosstown LRT between the Wynford & Sloane stops. While they may not require a connection in 4 years time, they should make a provision for a further connection in a decade or two, between the LRT and the Richmond Hill GO train.
After first getting a better connection at the Richmond Hill Oriole GO Station and the Leslie Subway Line 4 Station, of course.
steveintoronto
Superstar
There's another option that would render that connection mostly redundant:
Richmond Hill service, once it becomes single deck RER, or some form of metro. is diverted to become the most northerly leg of of the DRL, and so interchange would happen at the Science Centre. 'Express trains' from Richmond Hill to Union would continue to use the Don Valley, stop at Langstaff, Old Cumnmer, Oriole and perhaps have a stop Queen Street to transfer to TTC, Relief Line and Lakeshore East services.
hw621
Senior Member
In the short term, if we do get TTC fares for GO within Toronto, we can run minimum hourly service on Richmond Hill line. This should provide some relief to the Yonge Line.
johntauren
Active Member
The Richmond Hill Go line south of Oriole is not in a very station friendly area. It's way down in the Don River, and it only gets worse the far south you go. It's not in a good spot for any type of upgrade (ie. multiple tracks) much less a station at Eglinton. Not to mention the possibility of flooding that the lower Don River has at times. That is why is was never really considered.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
Speaking of Richmond Hill GO Line, is this kind of alignment for track possible (yes I know it would be expensive with the grade separation with the current track required)? Then there could be a potential to have half of the trains to use the current track, and the other half to use the new alignment, preferably the peak direction to use the new faster route. And maybe have a station at Leslie & Eglinton.
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BurlOak
Senior Member
I recall a study for this. I think that townhouse complex at the top left prevented the blue alignment. The red alignment may have been too tight for GO trains. I think both were looked at. Maybe if 2 new bridges were built than an alignment in between would be possible.
hw621
Senior Member
What about hydrarail?
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
I think we all know that Hydrail won't be able to support any sort of rush hour go train traffic, considering their length and electricity requirements per each of the 12 cars.
robmausser
Senior Member
Richmond Hill line is tough, because it has so much potential, but all options turn out to be quite expensive.
The current issue of Richmond Hill line is this: the current alignment is quite slow through the Don Valley, and it goes through a flood plain.
The solution to fix the flood plain is about $1.3 billion. Not cheap and will take time.
There is another option: Metrolinx purchased the CP Don Branch back in 2011. It offers a much straighter and faster route, and avoids the flood area.
Unfortunately it too has problems: namely that there is a lot of work to be done to refurbish and replace the track along the alignment, part goes through a very active CP mainline, as well that part of the alignment was ripped out and replaced with a bike path,
Now, that bike path, the Leaside Spur, is actually land owned by Metrolinx and the city has a temporary provision to use it as a bike path. At any point Metrolinx could revoke that permission and build a rail line in their. However, the question is, would they?
As you can imagine, the NIMBYISM would be out of control. That spur goes through a quiet neighbourhood of houses abutting the spur line.
The only thing I could possibly ever see being allowed on that area, would be some Tram-Train LRTs that are both compatible with heavy rail, but very light and quiet. That way you could sell to the locals of that area that they are getting an LRT, much like the Artbus corridor in Vancouver.
That still leaves Transport Canada to contend with. Metrolinx owns the lines from Union to the York sub just north of Steeles, and as we see with the Ion LRT in kitchener, TC will allow special provisions for LRTS to run on heavy rail spurs. However north of the York sub CN owns the lines and operates freight on it. I doubt TC would allow an LRT to operate there. Not including over the CP mainline that you must navigate to get to the Don Branch to downtown.
Furthurmore, it appears that VIA will want to use the Don Branch for its HFR trains, so scheduling will become even tighter on this line.
So as you can see there are a lot of issues with Richmond Hill, and solutions, but none of them are easy or a simple cost effective one.
Personally I think that Metrolinx should just operate a fleet of DMU's on the RH line while it fixes the problems with the flooding and the Don Branch connections, as it will be a long time coming before they offer anything better on this line.
The current issue of Richmond Hill line is this: the current alignment is quite slow through the Don Valley, and it goes through a flood plain.
The solution to fix the flood plain is about $1.3 billion. Not cheap and will take time.
There is another option: Metrolinx purchased the CP Don Branch back in 2011. It offers a much straighter and faster route, and avoids the flood area.
Unfortunately it too has problems: namely that there is a lot of work to be done to refurbish and replace the track along the alignment, part goes through a very active CP mainline, as well that part of the alignment was ripped out and replaced with a bike path,
Now, that bike path, the Leaside Spur, is actually land owned by Metrolinx and the city has a temporary provision to use it as a bike path. At any point Metrolinx could revoke that permission and build a rail line in their. However, the question is, would they?
As you can imagine, the NIMBYISM would be out of control. That spur goes through a quiet neighbourhood of houses abutting the spur line.
The only thing I could possibly ever see being allowed on that area, would be some Tram-Train LRTs that are both compatible with heavy rail, but very light and quiet. That way you could sell to the locals of that area that they are getting an LRT, much like the Artbus corridor in Vancouver.
That still leaves Transport Canada to contend with. Metrolinx owns the lines from Union to the York sub just north of Steeles, and as we see with the Ion LRT in kitchener, TC will allow special provisions for LRTS to run on heavy rail spurs. However north of the York sub CN owns the lines and operates freight on it. I doubt TC would allow an LRT to operate there. Not including over the CP mainline that you must navigate to get to the Don Branch to downtown.
Furthurmore, it appears that VIA will want to use the Don Branch for its HFR trains, so scheduling will become even tighter on this line.
So as you can see there are a lot of issues with Richmond Hill, and solutions, but none of them are easy or a simple cost effective one.
Personally I think that Metrolinx should just operate a fleet of DMU's on the RH line while it fixes the problems with the flooding and the Don Branch connections, as it will be a long time coming before they offer anything better on this line.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
The Leaside spur runs through some of the wealthiest neighbourhoods in the country. pushback would be strong. It literally goes right by the Bridlepath.
micheal_can
Senior Member
If they were to run EMUs on the RH line, it might be a go with the community.