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Toronto Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

If we are in the business of converting the Eglinton Crosstown to heavy rail, then we have much bigger problems than Eglinton.

Like what the hell would be happening to the Yonge Line if Eglinton is dumping 12-15k riders at Eglinton Station at rush hour.
 
WislaHD said:
If we are in the business of converting the Eglinton Crosstown to heavy rail, then we have much bigger problems than Eglinton.

Like what the hell would be happening to the Yonge Line if Eglinton is dumping 12-15k riders at Eglinton Station at rush hour.
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Good point, hopefully riders will have incentive to transfer at Eglinton West instead.
 
WislaHD said:
Like what the hell would be happening to the Yonge Line if Eglinton is dumping 12-15k riders at Eglinton Station at rush hour.
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24k to 30k; Eglinton feeds from both the East and the West and it's %age of through traffic will be much lower than Bloor Danforth.

The answer, is Eglinton gets 5 minute frequencies and people waiting on the platforms in order to pull the number of transfers down.
 
That's not a problem that we need to worry about today nor the 2020s. I don't think the line is anywhere near that busy.

By the 2030s, hopefully the relief would be built and extended to Don Mills/Eglinton. The fare structure of GO RER may have changed to relief Mt Dennis. Unless Eglinton Centre becomes a major employment zone, there wouldn't be too much growth. The Bloor Danforth gets a lot of riders from Mississauga and Etobicoke from the west and Scarborough from the east. Eglinton wouldn't see as much demand from these area. The only real growth in ridership is any new residential buildings across Eglinton and new employment along the line.

Crosstown West extension would bring more people onto the central part of the Eglinton line. Crosstown East wouldn't as people will still transfer at Kennedy. For Rexdale area (northern Etobicoke), demand would shift to the Finch West LRT and getting to the Spadina line. The 191 should drop as people change their commuting patterns.
 
Steve X said:
Arguing if Eglinton can become heavy rail is stupid. If capacity fills up, just build another LRT on Lawrence (West of Yonge) or Wilson/York Mills. Build the Relief Line to Science Centre.

Getting Eglinton to fill up the more of a problem right now. It will be busy the first days not cause there is new riders but diverted riders from N-S bus routes and from Line 2.
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Both Lawrence/Scarlett/Dixon and York Mills/Wilson/Albion should get surface LRT/BRT ROW's anyway as part of a future Transit City phase II.
 
kotsy said:
As far as I know, LRT tunnels are wider than our subway tunnels so that shouldn't be an issue.
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Streetcar systems can handle tighter curves and steeper inclines than light rail. Light rail systems can handle tighter curves and steeper inclines than heavy rail. If heavy rail were ever to replace light rail, they'll have to rebuilt the curves and inclines.
 
W. K. Lis said:
The Eglinton Subway from Eglinton West Station to Black Creek was to be heavy rail as it was cancelled by Mike Harris.
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The Eglinton Subway was built out of compromise from the original Network 2011 plan that dropped the 1969 subway idea for a lower cost BRT. If built, the Eglinton Subway would have just been a stubway the same way as the Sheppard Subway is currently.

W. K. Lis said:
The Eglinton Crosstown LRT was never to be convertible to heavy rail. Please show us the links to any documentation (such as the Environmental Assessment) that shows us overwise.
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The idea came up after the fact, at some point we know that Eglinton will have the density to support a subway, and the ~2 year wait that the SRT conversion to LRT proved that we should at least future proof now so we didn't have those problems later on. But that would require new EA's and designs, and the TTC and Metrolinx wanted this shovel ready, basically punting the problem to the next guy down the road.

W. K. Lis said:
The stations could be lengthen to accommodate longer trains, but the width will stay the same. The platforms will stay low floor, never to be raised for a high platform heavy rail.
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Again, none of those ideas where included in the planning. Lengthening the station would require shutting down the station, and maybe parts of the line for safety. Not to mention that longer trains would defeat the L in LRT. They're not designed to carry HRT level traffic.
 
CodeMonkey said:
The idea came up after the fact, at some point we know that Eglinton will have the density to support a subway, and the ~2 year wait that the SRT conversion to LRT proved that we should at least future proof now so we didn't have those problems later on. But that would require new EA's and designs, and the TTC and Metrolinx wanted this shovel ready, basically punting the problem to the next guy down the road.
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I wonder if it would be at all feasible to convert half of the stations to subway, shut down for two weeks and convert the track level, and then convert the other half of stations. So there would be some inconvenience (as people would have to transfer onto Chaplin station rather than Bathurst, for instance), but we can keep the Crosstown running in the mean time.
 
FYI.

From this link, the plans for a heavy rail Eglinton West subway included these stations:

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At minimum, the light rail stops, west of "York Centre" now Mt. Dennis, should have stops at the proposed stations.

Roughly equal to the intersections of old proposed "Richview Expressway.

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