APTA-2048
Senior Member
Thanks to both for the correction. I wasn't sure about the work involved.
When the new trains arrive, the H6 stock will remain on the Bloor-Danforth Line where they are running now.
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When the new trains arrive, the H6 stock will remain on the Bloor-Danforth Line where they are running now.
kEiThZ
Superstar
So I guess T1s will be augmenting the 234 TRs?
kettal
Banned
Why would it be sad? If it's so easy to modify gauge, then the choice of gauge would be inconsequential. (unless this city already existing metro lines, that is).
Northern Light
Superstar
H4s, H5s, H6s etc.
Most of the H4s are already gone.
These are the last cars with the bench style seats, orange and beige, with faux wood and no A/C.
You see them once and a while, I'm not sure how many sets they have left, but I'd be very surprised if it was more than 8 (48 cars).
Everything else is H5 and H6 (both have AC)
H5: originally orange and brown seats, (now recovered in the same red as T-series)
H6: originally a lighter orange and beige seats ( now recovered in red)
You can still tell the 2 apart, other than by number, by the colour of the paint job on the inside of the doors
Someone will correct if I'm wrong, but I understood the new Rocket cars were designed to eliminate the H4s, H5s, H6s from service. As they specifically said when they announced the purchase that EVERY train would be accessible (wide doors and wheelchair lock-ups)
I imagine a couple might be saved as spares.
H5's are numbered 5670-5807, for a total 138
H6's are numbered 5810-5935, for a total 126
That's a total of 264, minus what ever has been lost due to Russel Hill or any other accidents/unusual early damage
So 234 would replace the vast majority (depending on how many H4s are actually left)
Most of the H4s are already gone.
These are the last cars with the bench style seats, orange and beige, with faux wood and no A/C.
You see them once and a while, I'm not sure how many sets they have left, but I'd be very surprised if it was more than 8 (48 cars).
Everything else is H5 and H6 (both have AC)
H5: originally orange and brown seats, (now recovered in the same red as T-series)
H6: originally a lighter orange and beige seats ( now recovered in red)
You can still tell the 2 apart, other than by number, by the colour of the paint job on the inside of the doors
Someone will correct if I'm wrong, but I understood the new Rocket cars were designed to eliminate the H4s, H5s, H6s from service. As they specifically said when they announced the purchase that EVERY train would be accessible (wide doors and wheelchair lock-ups)
I imagine a couple might be saved as spares.
H5's are numbered 5670-5807, for a total 138
H6's are numbered 5810-5935, for a total 126
That's a total of 264, minus what ever has been lost due to Russel Hill or any other accidents/unusual early damage
So 234 would replace the vast majority (depending on how many H4s are actually left)
Second_in_pie
Senior Member
^^ Though it's worth remembering that the new automated trains will be running at almost twice the frequency. Therefore, almost twice the amount of trains will be needed for the YUS, probably twice once you account in the Spadina and Yonge extensions. I think this order is just for the YUS, and wouldn't be able to accommodate the B-D.
I would hope that they updated all the trains though. I don't think it makes much sense for the YUS to have sleek, shiny new cars while B-D and Sheppard have hand-me-downs.
Also is the disappointment of not even seeing any new lines in those calculations. If Eglinton and the DRL were built and Sheppard was extended, they'd probably want to save the H5 and H6's to get those lines running quickly. Eventually, the H5 and H6's would get phased out entirely, but having them to get running quickly would be convenient.
I would hope that they updated all the trains though. I don't think it makes much sense for the YUS to have sleek, shiny new cars while B-D and Sheppard have hand-me-downs.
Also is the disappointment of not even seeing any new lines in those calculations. If Eglinton and the DRL were built and Sheppard was extended, they'd probably want to save the H5 and H6's to get those lines running quickly. Eventually, the H5 and H6's would get phased out entirely, but having them to get running quickly would be convenient.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
It looks that way. As some have pointed out the 234 TR stock wouldn't be enough to cover what is needed on the YUS line.
Some (maybe all) of the H6 stock received an overhaul and wheelchair spaces, so I imagine they will still be around.
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nfitz
Superstar
44 according the most recent service summary.
Seems bizarre to be replacing H6's ... some are only 20-years old. Given most systems keep cars going for 40-50 years, seems rather early to be getting rid of them. With 180 H4's and H5's to replace, surely the remaining 54 cars (9 trains) will merely provide enough sets for the Spadina extension.
Second_in_pie
Senior Member
^^ Unless the Spadina extension is a totally new line, it'll have to run on the new Cars/trains, won't it? If the plan is to get the YUS automated by 2016 or whatever, it won't work having non-automateable trains running on a portion of the route. I think the current cars they're getting will be just, just enough for the Yonge and Spadina extensions.
rbt
Senior Member
Those, and many T1 will likely be moved to Bloor/Danforth.
lordmandeep
Banned
So the main question..
When are the new trains coming onto the system...
When are the new trains coming onto the system...
nfitz
Superstar
Early 2010 according to the post above. Though if correct you might be able to see them on the test track in Millhaven.
Swarley
Active Member
So from the capital budget just released, it appears the H6 cars will actually be retired by the end of 2012 - TTC added on 126 cars to the initial 234 car order of TRs. Apparently this is more cost effective than extending their life... but I think this is predicated on the supposed much improved reliability of the new cars.
Source: http://www3.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Co...Supplementary_Reports/2010_Capital_Budget.pdf page 30
Source: http://www3.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Co...Supplementary_Reports/2010_Capital_Budget.pdf page 30
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
About time - with the H6 gone the entire system will have wide door subway cars only, which is going to be great for rush hour boarding.
AoD
AoD
Northern Light
Superstar
I think its a sensible idea to have the H6's retired; but the real reason, it should pointed out is that the T1s are not set up for ATC.
When Y-U-S goes all ATC in 2015 or so; the would have to refit the ATC technology onto the existing rolling stock, as there were not enough 'Rocket Cars' ordered to fill Y-U-S demand.
Quite rightly someone asked if the amount of money was going to be worth it.
Also
The TTC is on a binge of trying to cut down on specialized repairs bays, tool sets, and spare parts for all classes of rolling stock.
You will note this for streetcars (reason for accelerated ALRV retirement) and for buses (retirement list in the capital budget).
This move will essentially reduce subway rolling stock to 2 classes, T-series and Rocket Cars.
When Y-U-S goes all ATC in 2015 or so; the would have to refit the ATC technology onto the existing rolling stock, as there were not enough 'Rocket Cars' ordered to fill Y-U-S demand.
Quite rightly someone asked if the amount of money was going to be worth it.
Also
The TTC is on a binge of trying to cut down on specialized repairs bays, tool sets, and spare parts for all classes of rolling stock.
You will note this for streetcars (reason for accelerated ALRV retirement) and for buses (retirement list in the capital budget).
This move will essentially reduce subway rolling stock to 2 classes, T-series and Rocket Cars.
hkric88
Active Member
Offical word is that the first new trains should be arriving THIS MONTH (october). nearing the half-way point in the month.. let's all keep our eyes peeled! I've been passing greenwood and wilson regularly, but I haven't seen anything yet.. I'm super excited!!
I expect delivery will be taken at greenwood, as the delivery will almost certainly be by train, and greenwood is where these deliveries happen..
I wonder if even before they enter service, they might park a train at davisville at the extra platform for a public 'open house' so-to-speak...
I expect delivery will be taken at greenwood, as the delivery will almost certainly be by train, and greenwood is where these deliveries happen..
I wonder if even before they enter service, they might park a train at davisville at the extra platform for a public 'open house' so-to-speak...