nfitz
Superstar
2,300 riders per km is quite well? The Coxwell bus weekday service is only 2.1 km long and gets about 6,600 riders on a weekday. That's over 3,000 riders per km. 2,300 is roughly the riders/km of the Dawes Road bus!
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innsertnamehere
Superstar
25,000 riders a day is pretty abysmal considering the yonge line is 15km and is regularly pushing 35,000 people PER HOUR.
cyruskafaiwu
New Member
I don't think these trains are for Buffalo. Buffalo is practically a light railway with underground sections.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
read the posts on the last page.. they are for Lagos nigeria, but were seen in buffalo. thus the talk about the buffalo subway.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Just like the Gloucester Railway Wagon & Carriage Works subway cars 5098-5099 were converted to overhead wire operation over at the Halton County Radial Railway Museum.
DavidJamesTO
Active Member
Do they ever actually run? Whenever I've been there they've only had the replica Belt Line car and the Peter Witt running.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Sarcasm.
Not surprising considering that Buffalo has a population of only 260,000. Mississauga, Brampton, Vaughan and Richmond Hill all have larger populations. Even if everyone in Buffalo took their metro twice a day it would be mathematically impossible for it to move 35,000 per hour.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Oh I realize, but it is still low for a metro line. Mind you buffalo probably shouldn't even hav a metro line.
drum118
Superstar
Yes they can go to a pantograph system easy, but the real problem is the current platforms.
Other than the platform for the front door to meet accessibly laws, all the other doors are open by the riders where a set of stairs will fold out. Some time the driver will activate tall the doors.
To used the H5 & H6 cars, all the stops will have to become high floor platforms with a gap between it and the LRV so traffic can get by them without interference. That money neither the system has nor the city to do this period.
Regardless of the ridership numbers, the US builds lines for low numbers that we would not and only use buses for them. Then what is the operation cost using buses vs. LRT/Metro compared to the capital cost in the first place?
This is one line where the $1 invested in it didn't get the $10 to $1 return, considering the city is only haft the size now compare to what it had when the line was built.
smallspy
Senior Member
Except for the very minor problem of the structure of the cars not being designed for weight up there. And in fact, that is one thing that Halton County found out with their G cars, despite the fact that they are much more overbuilt than the H cars.
So no, you can't just mount a pantograph up there easy.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
Johnny Au
Senior Member
Markham has over 300,000 people, more than Buffalo. Richmond Hill has over 180,000 people. However, the figures for the Buffalo MetroRail (which is an LRT line) also includes those from the likes of Kenmore, Amherst, Lackawanna, Cheektowaga, and Fort Erie.
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nfitz
Superstar
The greater Buffalo area is over 1.2 million, on par with New Orleans ... Albany, or Rochester. And about the same as Ottawa, Calgary, or Edmonton.
drum118
Superstar
You know that as well as I do, but the poster needs to understand its not a simple change over to go from rail to pans or do what he thinks can happen. Wouldn't recommend this at all.
JayBeeGooner
Active Member
I am fully aware it's not a simple task, nor did I imply they should be converted to pans for use on an LRT line.
nrb
Active Member
You can't compare populations between city districts in US and Canada.. districts are drawn completely differently. The size of buffalo city proper would almost fit into markham twice.