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"The thing about guns is they show no mercy," David Miller

^You must be young still. I'm way ahead of you.

so you're the guy i see walking around with the same spool they used to lay the transatlantic telephone cable!
 
On the housing issue side I think the legacy of large social housing blocks mostly run by the city are part of the problem. Although in fairness I think the city government lacks both the resources and creative capacity to work on the problem from this angle. Adding to that there are a few dozen private apartment block buildings and complexes spread around the city that seem to act as hives of drug activity and hence factor in disproportionately into the gun play issue. Now most of these buildings got that way due to poor management by the building owners themselves. That is not however as interesting a point as how do we reverse the tide? The government can theoretically throw money at the issue but what about private owners who need to maintain profitability and lack the capital and expertise to clean up a building even if they wanted to?
 
Looks like knives don't show any mercy either. I'm waiting for Miller to call for a ban on hand knives. After all, we should be able to get by with forks, spoons and chop sticks. And this father sure sounds like a great role model. Maybe they'll do some quality father son bonding in a cell together? That is, until they get out on bail next week.

Father And Son Charged After Man Dies Of Stab Wounds
Sunday August 5, 2007
CityNews.ca Staff

A bizarre and sad story became even more tragic after 22-year-old Tyler McGill died on Friday. McGill was stabbed in the chest while standing in the drive-thru of a McDonald's restaurant in Scarborough.

He was taken to hospital where his condition was listed as critical. He died of his injuries on Friday, August 3rd.

A post-mortem examination was conducted on Saturday and it was determined Mcgill died from a stab wound to the chest.

Azard Mohammed, 45, and his son Danny Mohammed, 19, both from Toronto, were arrested that night and charged with aggravated assault and weapons-related offenses.

They both remain in custody and will appear in court on Tuesday, August 7. There is no word if the charges will be upgraded after McGill's death.

The Toronto Police Homicide Squad has now taken over the investigation.

McGill was allegedly stabbed after an altercation in the drive-thru lineup.
 
Seriously, is it time to look at a hand knife ban?

StreetBeat - Aug. 6 - 17-Yr.-Old Stabbed Overnight
Monday August 6, 2007
CityNews.ca Staff

A teenager is in critical condition after being stabbed downtown overnight. The 17-year-old was knifed in the chest around midnight Sunday on Brooklyn Avenue, near Dundas and Jones. Police are still interviewing witnesses and they're looking for at least one male suspect. If you have any information call Crime Stoppers at (416) 222-TIPS or 55
 
with that logic, should everyone be castrated because some people rape others?

there is a law against carrying concealed weapons isn't there?

hand knife ban isn't realistic because there are many other types of knifes that can be substituted & concealed, it doesn't even have to be a knife, it could be a sharp piece of glass. if you ban hand knifes, there are still kitchen knives, pear knifes, carving knifes, etc. that can be easily concealed.


a handgun is a different story. if you ban hand guns, most people are not gonna carry shotguns in their pants, cannons. it is hard to substitute a hand gun with something else that does the same damage and comes in the same convenient size.


a knife is a sharp object that uses man power to penetrate flesh while a gun uses the force of an explosion to propel a projectile to penetrate flesh. there is a major difference. the only similarity is that they can both kill and injure.
 
Guns have always been readily available in Canada. I had three in my home growing up. It was probably more uncommon to not have a gun in the time of our grandparents.

The fact is our culture has changed. And frankly there is a different ATTITUDE towards guns and violence being imported into Canada from countries such as Jamaica and the United States. To try to pretend otherwise is not healthy or productive.
 
Seriously, is it time to look at a hand knife ban?

Okay!

There, I've looked, and its a bad idea.

But then if you think hand knives (as opposed to the ever-popular foot knife, and the macho favourite, the penis knife) should be banned, then ban everything that could be used to kill! There's the tincan lid. Deadly when in the right hands! There is the sheet of paper. Merciless paper cuts are a horrible way to kill! There's the front door. How many murderous domestic disputes have come to a rapid conclusion with the application of a door to the cranium! Don't forget the hair dryer. A victim plus water equals death.

And what about that water?! How many murders have been comitted with that stuff! More than two thirds of the planet is covered with the it. Really, if it was so all bad, we'd have all killed each other with it ten times over!
If everyone can have free access to water that can be used to kill, then everyone should have access to lots and lots of guns, because they're no more dangerous than water.

Or something.
 
the problem with banning something is it really does nothing, if I want something bad enough, I'll get it.
 
Not to feed the troll, but I'll point out the obvious and say that guns can kill random, innocent victims hundreds of feet away from an altercation. You also can't run away from a bullet. A knife is in a completely different league, not to mention it has many legitimate uses. What legitimate uses does a handgun have? Shooting at humans, and shooting at human-shaped paper targets with added points for hitting vital organs.

Oh, and here's another peripherally-related article to match ones from 3cp1.

Suicide sparks questions about gun-range safety
KATHERINE HARDING

August 7, 2007

EDMONTON -- The Wild West Shooting Centre is a popular place for birthdays, stags and people just looking to blow off steam by firing a few rounds.

But the gun range at the West Edmonton Mall was recently the site of a police investigation after a man walked in, rented a gun and fatally shot himself.

The public suicide has triggered questions about whether Canada's 582 gun ranges need stricter rules for firearm rentals, particularly for unlicensed shooters.

While it was the first suicide in the Wild West gun range's seven-year history, another man seriously injured himself there after he attempted to kill himself last month.

Wild West owner Ken Kupsch said the two shooting incidents are crimes, not safety and security issues. Well-trained employees interview every customer who walks in their door to determine whether they are fit to shoot, he said. People who are drunk, high or seem agitated or morose are turned away.

In addition, by law, all shooters who do not possess a firearms licence are supervised constantly by range staff, usually at arm's-length.

Mr. Kupsch told the Edmonton Sun the unidentified man who shot himself last week "didn't show any sign that he might be committing suicide."

Mr. Kupsch said he isn't sure what other measures he could put in place to prevent suicides, but he plans to seek advice from owners of firing ranges in the United States who have long grappled with this problem.

While national statistics on gun-range suicides are not closely tracked on either side of the border, it appears they are more common in the United States. Some U.S. firing ranges have stopped renting firearms to people who come in alone. Others require deeper background checks on potential customers. There has even been a call for state lawmakers to place either a multiple-day waiting period or a complete ban on gun rentals.

James Bachynsky, co-owner of the Shooting Edge Inc. gun range in Calgary, said it's a "matter of luck" there has never been a suicide at his facility. He said more staff training or tighter rules on gun rentals are not the answer to eliminating fire-range suicides because both are already adequate.

"We can't read people's minds," he said. "If they are intent on committing suicide, they are going to commit suicide. If anything, maybe the question is: Are suicide-prevention programs adequate? ... Because it's not a firearms-safety issue, it's a mental-health issue."

He said laws governing Canada's firing ranges are quite strict, especially the requirement that all customers without firearm licences need to be constantly supervised.

The Canada Firearms Centre, a division of the RCMP that licenses the country's 861 gun clubs and 582 firing ranges, does not require that staff working at these facilities receive extra training to recognize and deal with suicidal customers. It is up to each gun club and range to decide whether they want to offer it, according to an RCMP spokeswoman.

Richard Ramsay, a professor of social work at the University of Calgary and an expert on suicide-prevention training, said most people contemplating suicide usually send out warning signs, which he describes as "invitations."

Prof. Ramsay said that while suicides at gun ranges are extremely rare in Canada, they are not surprising considering how easily accessible a gun is at a range compared with buying one, which can take several months and requires background checks and lots of paperwork.

Prof. Ramsay said specialized training to help gun-range staff not only pick out a suicidal person, but also to teach them where to send the person for help immediately, is available and could save lives.
 
Let's cut off our hands and feet, to prevent people being kicked and punched to death
 
Let's cut off our hands and feet, to prevent people being kicked and punched to death

it's not realistic. in the end, there will be one guy that has one hand left out there. we must all be armed and legged. it's the MAD philosophy.
 

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