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Scarborough Waterfront Project (?, ?, TRCA)

Erosion is a natural process. Is stopping the erosion an "environmental issue" or a "preservation of private property issue". There is lots of opposition to altering the natural landscapes and natural processes when humans build things like damn, but why are we ok with stopping this natural process.

Note that most of the material taken from the bluffs winds up being deposited on the leslie st spit.
 
Woodbridge_Heights said:
Erosion is a natural process. Is stopping the erosion an "environmental issue" or a "preservation of private property issue". There is lots of opposition to altering the natural landscapes and natural processes when humans build things like damn, but why are we ok with stopping this natural process.

Note that most of the material taken from the bluffs winds up being deposited on the leslie st spit.
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The material from the bluffs created the Toronto Islands.
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
From Insidetoronto:

https://www.insidetoronto.com/commu...hority-passes-scarborough-waterfront-project/

And TRCA Project website:

https://trca.ca/conservation/green-infrastructure/scarborough-waterfront-project/

AoD
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The various 'special interests' here do have some valid points.

Many environmentalists, myself included have raised concerns over the TRCA hardening the shoreline in so many places.

It does indeed reduce erosion, but I'm not sure that's sufficient justification for its across-the-board application.

Natural, sandy beaches are not only part of the natural process here, w/understandable appeal to people, they support unique habitats on/offshore that are already all too rare on the north shore of Lake Ontario.

On balance, this is a project that I support.

But the great grandstander does have a point, and a fairly reasonable proposal, it's not perfect either, but neither is the TRCA's.

The latter have a bad habit of pre-determining what they wish to do then setting about an EA process in order to justify rather than shape their decision.

Some minor tweaking would serve this proposal well.

Doing it half-ass is in no one's best interest.
 
As a side note, the TRCA has caused itself similar grief on the East Don bike trail EA where someone has appealed up the food chain to bump up the EA (which trigger a whole new process and likely kill the federal funding for the bike trail).

Concerns were made clear to them as to what should and should not be allowed, and they favoured choices many deemed more harmful than need be to the environment. Now that project is at risk.

They need to step back and listen more carefully to the public and experts and pay more than lip service to legitimate concerns.
 
The TRCA not only wants to put rocks where the beach is, making it inaccessible to people, but they want to put a paved bike path at the top on East Point Park which the city has made into a bird sanctuary. They have signs at both entrances that say it's a bird sanctuary and a blind just inside the far east parking lot that overlooks a pond. There is also another structure that has cutouts of a murmuration of birds as well as names in English and Latin of all the birds that could be seen in the area, and a platform to attract osprey. Instead of having a bike path on the road just to the north of the other side of the park, a road that has very little traffic, they want to put it along the park where a wood-chip path currently exists. This is on an already unstable bluff where heavy machinery will have to be brought in. So basically, cyclists will be flying along the edge of the bluff which means it won't be a sanctuary for any of the wildlife, which includes swallows, warblers, kingbirds, and mammals including deer, foxes, coyotes. The current path always has huge puddles and streams which aren't going to go away.
 
Northern Light said:
The various 'special interests' here do have some valid points.

Many environmentalists, myself included have raised concerns over the TRCA hardening the shoreline in so many places.

It does indeed reduce erosion, but I'm not sure that's sufficient justification for its across-the-board application.

Natural, sandy beaches are not only part of the natural process here, w/understandable appeal to people, they support unique habitats on/offshore that are already all too rare on the north shore of Lake Ontario.

On balance, this is a project that I support.

But the great grandstander does have a point, and a fairly reasonable proposal, it's not perfect either, but neither is the TRCA's.

The latter have a bad habit of pre-determining what they wish to do then setting about an EA process in order to justify rather than shape their decision.

Some minor tweaking would serve this proposal well.

Doing it half-ass is in no one's best interest.
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It's sad when we are spending this much money that there is little appetite to pay attention to key details. This could really be an amazing project if they listen and work with these voices
 
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Link: https://www.ontario.ca/page/scarborough-waterfront-project
 
Northern Light said:
Thought we had a newer thread for this.............but at any rate, this project just got EA approval.

Funding picture is murky, but the TRCA is moving immediately to detailed design and seems to be anticipating some construction for late 2020 suggesting an announcement may be in the offing.

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Threads merged - now in P&C.

AoD
 
Northern Light said:
Thought we had a newer thread for this.............but at any rate, this project just got EA approval.

Funding picture is murky, but the TRCA is moving immediately to detailed design and seems to be anticipating some construction for late 2020 suggesting an announcement may be in the offing.

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With this in addition to the Meadoway project, lots of good is happening in Scarborough when it comes to parks.
 
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