If you are a member of the SOS group, you might want to turn down the hyperbole. If you are not a member of the SOS group, the SOS group should make sure to make their spokesperson(s) clearly declared to ensure they do not get tainted by others on this board as this seems to be the primary discussion location (most visible at least).
The Spadina expansion, largest subway expansion by length in many decades, is under construction and being overseen by the people you claim to have killed subway expansion.
It is also difficult to argue that central Eglinton service will not be subway quality. A pair of gap trains which never leave the tunnel section and they have it pretty much covered. Gap trains are not unusual in Toronto; both lines have some.
The SOS group needs to beware of factually incorrect statements and statements which could be spun or purposefully misinterpreted into being factually incorrect. Be sure to acknowledge what is being done (don't show ignorance) and state clearly why it is not enough or a firm implementation.
I learned enough about politics to realize that I don't want a part of it. First step to being an effective movement is learning how the game is played. The internal knowledge about city workings is what gave Save or St. Clair a chance. Whether you agree with the movement or not, it took a lot of political will from current city council to proceed with the project. If you force council stand united behind Transit City today and there is a good chance they will not; particularly if there is an option #2 that may buy more votes.
Very good points. Which is why I would like to stress that this is not a group page, this is a discussion forum. Ideas to bounce around, that in no way reflect the final, cohesive vision of SOS.
This is why I have been so insistant on getting a report finished before we present our ideas to the outside world (I don't really consider UT to be the outside world, sorry to dissapoint you all, haha). Once the report is finished, we can have a single unifying document, which contains all of our standpoints, suggestions, and opinions. If our ideas (and our group) will be rejected, I'd much rather have it be because someone rationally debated the points that we presented in our report and countered them, than someone read something that was posted on here by 1 person, assumed it was the group consensus, and based their perception of the group off of that.
FYI, this is why I decided to name the report 'Move Toronto', instead of just ' The Save Our Subways Plan', to get away from the perception that we're just a NIMBY group (actually, more precisely, a YIMBY group). It gives the perception that we're presenting alternatives (which we are), instead of just criticizing current plans.
The quote that was presented by the woman at Save Our Sheppard is valid to be criticized, because it was spoken directly to a media outlet, it wasn't taken out of context from a discussion board or anything.
Another FYI, once the report is done, it will be available on our website, and will also be posted in this forum. From there, it can be debated, accepted, or rejected on the part of non-SOS members.