Tulse
Senior Member
A city operating budget? That's just not true. As you can see here, the city operating budget has gone up every year since 2000.What? He did put out a budget smaller than the year before.
Do you mean a different budget?
A city operating budget? That's just not true. As you can see here, the city operating budget has gone up every year since 2000.What? He did put out a budget smaller than the year before.
So I guess nothing is going to happen, and he's going to remain our mayor until the next election. I wouldn't even be surprised if he gets re-elected. People talk, but they don't vote.
A city operating budget?
Rob Ford vs. John Tory will be like Rob Ford vs. George Smitherman: Conservative vs. Conservative Lite. Once again, progressive voters who make up the majority of the electorate will have no viable candidate to support.
I'm pretty sure he meant the Mayors office budget.
John Tory vs Rob Ford: RF wins.
OC vs RF: RF wins.
See you in 2015
So I guess nothing is going to happen, and he's going to remain our mayor until the next election. I wouldn't even be surprised if he gets re-elected. People talk, but they don't vote.
Matt Elliott @GraphicMatt 5 Jul said:Actually, this is interesting: Ford's Forum approval ratings since 2011 with 18-34 demo eliminated from sample. Flat. pic.twitter.com/r9lo64sZVZ
Nick Kouvalis @NickKouvalis 5 Jul said:@GraphicMatt exactly 45-50%. These demo(graphic)s vote much more than 18-34. Ford supporters are harder for him than opponents. Very sticky.
Nick Kouvalis @NickKouvalis 5 Jul said:@GraphicMatt look at weights & turnout model. #'s are consistent with pre-Election numbers. If his voters turnout more than others, he wins
Nick Kouvalis @NickKouvalis 5 Jul said:@GraphicMatt 46-51% 2 was B4 Eday. Still at same #'s. Without the chaos from libraries to video, he would likely still truly be at 50.
A city operating budget? That's just not true. As you can see here, the city operating budget has gone up every year since 2000.
Do you mean a different budget?
The 2012 Budget marks the first decline in gross expenditures since Toronto's amalgamation with a $20 million decrease.
Why would a progressives have problems voting for Tory? I certainly don't have any issue.
Though not entirely for the same reasons, progressives had problems voting for Smitherman, remember.
A lot of things, notably his strong ties to Bay Street and Toronto's social elite, his connections to the the provincial PC's (although less so during the Harris years) and what many detect as faux-populism he espouses on his radio show.
Right, and if you look at the 2012 Operating Budget table, you'll see that this claim comes from the comparison of the Total Levy Operating Budget, which notes a reduction from the 2011 budget figure it offers of 0.2%. If you think this a one-fifth of one percent reduction is significant, you're welcome to tout that figure as gospel.From the very link you posted:
The 2012 Budget marks the first decline in gross expenditures since Toronto's amalgamation with a $20 million decrease.
Or progressives could, you know, vote for Chow.Ahh okay. I hope that progressives will have the sense to vote for Tory if Chow were to run. We can't have the vote being split three ways. That will guarantee that the 1/3 of people who still approve of Ford will get their man in office.
Or progressives could, you know, vote for Chow.
I'll never vote for Tory, largely because of the reasons mjl08 so clearly enumerates. Tory is a four-time losing back-room party hack with no civic politics experience who seemingly had his roots in the sensible Red Tory tradition, but then embraced the looney social conservative wing when he ran for Premier, and seemingly continues to espouse this approach. He's at best a phoney and panderer, and at worst yet another knee-jerk conservative.
No thank you. I'll take the alleged "socialist" who actually sat on Toronto city council for a decade making the city work over Tory.