Rob Ford's Toronto

[ThinkRicky]

I'd argue that if you support policies that enrich your wealthy peers at the expense of the working class and the poor then yes, you are a bad person.

 

[RippedLikeStinson]

Everything I've heard him say and seen him do suggests he's a nasty evil little man.

You've only seen Tim Hudak the politician. Politics is a petty game. Who knows what he's like outside that arena.

 

[OSS 117]

You've only seen Tim Hudak the politician. Politics is a petty game. Who knows what he's like outside that arena.

Who cares? He can't effect other peoples' lives with the stuff he does at home. Even Vito Corleone was nice to his grandchildren, you know? That stuff is meaningless.

 

[newearthling]

"Police chasing secret Lisi videos" - front page story in The Star tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/TorStarEditor/status/437076781334396929/photo/1

 

[RippedLikeStinson]

I'd argue that if you support policies that enrich your wealthy peers at the expense of the working class and the poor then yes, you are a bad person.

And taking from the wealthy (money they worked hard for) and coercing them to pay for social programs they don't believe in, isn't fair either. Conservatives are actually very charitable people; they just prefer to personally decide who they donate their money to. If you believe in socialism, go and give your cell phone or some other personal possession, that you earned, to someone less fortunate than you. Most people are really conservative and they don't even know it. You wouldn't want somebody in a weaker financial situation thinking they're entitled to your personal belongings just because you have nicer stuff than them.

 

[RippedLikeStinson]

Who cares? He can't effect other peoples' lives with the stuff he does at home. Even Vito Corleone was nice to his grandchildren, you know? That stuff is meaningless.

Meaningless to citizens, yes; not to his family. All I was saying is that Tim Hudak is probably a good family man and friendly guy in his personal life. Don't let his politics act as an all encompassing measurement of who he is as a person. It's illogical to call him evil because he has different social views than you. Life isn't that cut and dry.

 

[Crazy]

Ripped, I'm glad we have someone here to speak for the voiceless. The rich bashing can at times be unbearable. Are you familiar with Tom Perkins? He's like this century's Raoul Wallenberg.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...mericas-rich-to-Nazi-persecution-of-Jews.html

 

[OSS 117]

And taking from the wealthy (money they worked hard for) and coercing them to pay for social programs they don't believe in, isn't fair either. Conservatives are actually very charitable people; they just prefer to personally decide who they donate their money to. If you believe in socialism, go and give your cell phone or some other personal possession, that you earned, to someone less fortunate than you. Most people are really conservative and they don't even know it. You wouldn't want somebody in a weaker financial situation thinking they're entitled to your personal belongings just because you have nicer stuff than them.

Wow. You sound like everyone's nightmare of a right-winger. You understand how taxes work, right? And that civilization can't function without them? But sure, let's just let everyone give to whatever they feel is personally worth their time. That'll work out real well.

Jesus.

 

[OSS 117]

Meaningless to citizens, yes; not to his family. All I was saying is that Tim Hudak is probably a good family man and friendly guy in his personal life. Don't let his politics act as an all encompassing measurement of who he is as a person. It's illogical to call him evil because he has different social views than you. Life isn't that cut and dry.

Yeah, it is. I could care less how nice he is to his family. That's meaningless. What's meaningful is people who can understand and sympathize with people they don't know, and possibly have little in common with. That's one of the problems with conservatives--the inability to think outside their immediate circle.

 

[Forty Fs]

Yeah, it is. I could care less how nice he is to his family. That's meaningless. What's meaningful is people who can understand and sympathize with people they don't know, and possibly have little in common with. That's one of the problems with conservatives--the inability to think outside their immediate circle.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but given that this thread is about Rob Ford, who is demonstrably not nice to his family to the point of being criminally charged, and whose fans have let him skate on all sorts of nasty behaviour because it's his "personal life", I think it matters a little bit here. Hudak sucks and I would never vote for him, but there's no reason to believe he's as comprehensively terrible as the Fords.

 

[dt_toronto_geek]

Wow. You sound like everyone's nightmare of a right-winger. You understand how taxes work, right? And that civilization can't function without them? But sure, let's just let everyone give to whatever they feel is personally worth their time. That'll work out real well.
Jesus.

Typical Ayn Rand style beliefs, a disease spreading from ultra right-wing nuts to the south. There's no regard to the greater picture here, it's too much work that 'thinking thing'.

 

[OSS 117]

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but given that this thread is about Rob Ford, who is demonstrably not nice to his family to the point of being criminally charged, and whose fans have let him skate on all sorts of nasty behaviour because it's his "personal life", I think it matters a little bit here. Hudak sucks and I would never vote for him, but there's no reason to believe he's as comprehensively terrible as the Fords.

That's reasonable enough. I'm just pointing out the confused thinking that leads to things like Mafia bosses and drug-dealing outlaw bikers thinking they're "good people" because they love their dog and spoil their grandkids. Good people put themselves in the shoes of people they don't know and have nothing in common with. It's basic empathy. Treating your family well is no real judge of character at all, in the big picture.

 

[basic]

I can't find the new Lisi article online.

I read it in the paper, though. The gist is that Lisi has a tendency to audio/video lots of conversations, and that the police are going after getting access to unlocking his phone and iCloud account. Ford and Lisi are nervous about this.

 

[cmotors]

The Lisi iCloud article can be found here:

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha...ases_sandro_lisis_iphone_audio_and_video.html

EDIT: Link updated

 

[DeathSilver]

The Lisi iCloud article can be found here, just click on the paper, then the article:

http://torontostar.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx

Thanks. This is a prelude of what will be coming out on March 5th. Donovan did the same thing for the Lisi ITO. He knows what's in the other search warrants.