Roads: Ontario/GTA Highways Discussion | Page 188

Discussion in 'Transportation and Infrastructure' started by Haljackey, Apr 12, 2010.

  1. toaster29

    toaster29 Active Member

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    I really do think it is crazy they have decided to cancel any further investigation into this. This part of the GTA is rapidly growing. The number of friends/colleagues of mine that have moved out to Orangeville/Caledon/Guelph in the last year or two (because of how unaffordable Toronto/Missisauga have become) is crazy, not to mention Brampton is still growing rapidly. You can't expect infrastructure / capacity built for a tenth of the current population to function for what is there now (and what is coming).
     

  2. markhamdevelopments

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    So is the 427 extension north of Highway 7 construction already underway?
     
  3. narduch

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    Yes.
     
  4. W. K. Lis

    W. K. Lis Superstar

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    Why don't we have adjustable speed limit signage in Ontario?



    Maybe, just maybe, we'll slow down to the conditions like this. But if the sign says "100"...
     
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  5. lenaitch

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    Man, the hits just kept coming. I'm not familiar with the effectiveness of variable speed limits in jurisdictions that have them so can't comment. They would be costly to implement and it would be interesting how effectively they would be on highways in the 'traditional snow belt' areas where the visibility can drop to virtually zero in the matter of a few hundred feet. I live in such an area and this is all too frequent - people seem to drive more on faith than anything else (perhaps that's all they have in the driving toolkit). What I find interesting in the video is, in face of a veritable wall of stopping metal, people just kept ploughing in at what looks close to highway speed. I saw a couple of smart moves: get onto the shoulder and get ahead of other vehicles - don't be the last stopped car in the line.

    What happened to looking down the road driving within the control parameters of your vehicle.

    "Maybe, just maybe". We could only hope. But I'm guessing that even at a posted 10 km/h, many would still be in trouble.
     
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    My "favourite" moment was when that one semi managed to veer off the road without impacting anyone. "Whew," I thought. And then sat stunned/bemused as the semi behind it came through like a freight train. @lenaitch Another smart move, in my view, in this situation would be to get off the road entirely if possible. Better to scrape over a few bumps and dent your wheels than have an 18 wheeler up your rear end.
     
  7. W. K. Lis

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    My worse moments in the video are when we see people walking around, but more vehicles come through.
     
  8. darth_freeman

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    Yes, and I could see an extension of 427 to 400 & 410 acting as a "stub" GTA west to relieve some congestion and provide route flexibility. The final piece from 410 to 401/407 could come after more environmental assessment.
     
  9. innsertnamehere

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    The more likely part to be built is from the 407/401 to Mayfield Road.. Peel and Halton region want to construct that as a municipal expressway if the province fails to construct the GTA West.

    We may see the highway return if the PCs win this year as well.
     
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  10. BurlOak

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    if what you say is true*, then it means that the entire EA process is a farce - just a kabuki theater to make is look like things are being considered and that the public is being listened to - but in reality, it is just a distraction and whatever is desired by the government will be enacted. It just adds to costs, and adds to delays, but it is meaningless in the end.

    * - I agree with you that its true.
     
  11. Neutrino

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    When someone argues that drivers have already paid for roads through taxes, what's the counterargument in favour of road tolls?
     
  12. darth_freeman

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    The EA was already done and was 100% valid.

    The review was the farce and is just pre election politics.
     
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  13. 11th

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    There is no counterargument. Construction of roads and their maintenance are paid through general taxes because everyone reaps the benefit from them. Roads aren't just for commuters, they are also for moving goods.
     
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  14. BurlOak

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    Actually, I think cars subsidize the roads even more than general taxes. It is the trucks that are moving the goods that are subsided for the benefit of all.
    If we wanted to be "fair", we could lower the fees charged to cars (lower gas tax, lower licensing) and drastically increase the fees charged to commercial vehicles - who would pass these costs on to consumers.
     
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    Of course, in the spirit of fairness, those commuters would be willing to accept lower wages because their cost of living was reduced but costs would go up for everyone who is a consumer, whether or not they drive.

    It's all general revenue. Any government that tries to tell you that tax 'x' goes directly into program 'y' is fibbing.
     
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