AlvinofDiaspar
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Nevermind that we already had paid sick days, until the current government eliminated them. Now they need to "consider alternatives".
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Nevermind that we already had paid sick days, until the current government eliminated them. Now they need to "consider alternatives".
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Northern Light
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We don't need a program.
We need and had an Employment Standard.
That's the lower-cost and easier to implement solution.
The limitations on the Federal program are clear.
1) You have to apply (so your pay cheque still goes down while government ponders your application)
2) Applications require paperwork, time and a good working knowledge of English or French is rather helpful.
3) Reimbursement takes no less than a couple of weeks, but may take much longer due to processing delays.
By contrast, an Employment Standard means your pay cheque is held constant, no application is required, no paperwork burden exists, there is no delay to money on hand.
We need and had an Employment Standard.
That's the lower-cost and easier to implement solution.
The limitations on the Federal program are clear.
1) You have to apply (so your pay cheque still goes down while government ponders your application)
2) Applications require paperwork, time and a good working knowledge of English or French is rather helpful.
3) Reimbursement takes no less than a couple of weeks, but may take much longer due to processing delays.
By contrast, an Employment Standard means your pay cheque is held constant, no application is required, no paperwork burden exists, there is no delay to money on hand.
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The Science Table has published this: See: https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/sciencebrief/fighting-covid-19-in-ontario-the-way-forward/
What Will Work
More than one year into the COVID-19 pandemic, we know the following six things will reduce transmission, protect our health care system, and allow us to re-open safely as soon as possible:- Essential workplaces, only: Some indoor workplaces have to remain open, but the list of what stays open must be as short as possible. This means permitting only truly essential indoor workplaces to stay open and strictly enforcing COVID-19 safety measures in those places. Essential workers must wear masks at all times while working indoors, or when close to others outdoors, and must be supported in doing so.
- Paying essential workers to stay home when they are sick, exposed or need time to get vaccinated: SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, spreads when people go to work sick or after having been exposed to the virus. Workers who do this, often do so because they have no choice: they must feed their families and pay their rent. Compared to other models that appear to have limited spread, the federal program is cumbersome and does not provide enough financial support. An emergency benefit that offers more money, is easily accessible, immediately paid and that, for the duration of the pandemic, is available to essential workers – when they are sick, when they’ve been exposed, need time off to get tested, or when it’s their turn to get vaccinated – will help limit spread.
- Accelerating the vaccination of essential workers and those who live in hot spots: Vaccines are essential in slowing the pandemic. This means immediately allocating as many doses as possible to hotspot neighbourhoods, vulnerable populations, and essential workers. It also means accelerating the distribution and administration of vaccines overall, making it easier for at-risk groups to get vaccinated, and promoting the vaccine with more intensive and effective on-the-ground community outreach.
- Limiting mobility: This means restricting movement between regions of the province and restricting movement into the province. COVID-19 is not a single pandemic, because different regions of Ontario and Canada face distinct problems. Moving around the province risks creating new hotspots, especially because the variants of concern are so transmissible. Simply put, Ontarians need to stay in their local communities.
- Focusing on public health guidance that works: This means Ontarians can’t gather indoors with people from outside their household (with the very limited exception of safe indoor work in essential workplaces). It means Ontarians can spend time with each other outdoors, distancing two metres, wearing masks, keeping hands clean.
- Keeping people safely connected: Maintaining social connections and outdoor activity are important to our overall physical and mental health. This means allowing small groups of people from different households to meet outside with masking and two-metre distancing. It means keeping playgrounds open, and clearly encouraging safe outdoor activities.
What Won’t Work
- Policies that harm or neglect racialized, marginalized and other vulnerable populations will not be effective against a disease that already affects these groups disproportionately. For these reasons, pandemic policies should be examined through an equity lens to ensure that all communities benefit.
- As noted in repeated studies from around the world, inconsistent policies with no clear link to scientific evidence are ineffective in fighting COVID-19.
- Policies that discourage safe outdoor activity will not control COVID-19 and will disproportionately harm children and those who do not have access to their own greenspace, especially those living in crowded conditions.
Admiral Beez
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If I want to ride my motorcycle from Toronto and up to Uxbridge, stopping only for gas, is this allowed? What if a friend on his bike joins me, again only stopping for gas? We’d never be within six feet of each other.
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Dear Leader seems to have lost his final marbles!
Ford, noticeably absent from question period, to hold $1,000 PC-party Zoom fundraise
'What planet is that okay on?' Liberal MPP John Fraser asked in question period
CBC News · Posted: Apr 20, 2021 1:33 PM ET | Last Updated: 3 hours ago
AlvinofDiaspar
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FYI - not just one!
I guess fundraisers are where you can find hidden vaccines.
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Just listened to an interview with Mayor of Ottawa on CBC As it Happens. Not a happy camper due to Ford's orders that Ottawa police must screen people entering from Quebec. Words like useless, costly, wasteful, unplanned were much in evidence. They are going to bill the Province for police costs and want it stopped ASAP. Pity Doug is too busy at fund raisers to talk to the Mayor!
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Just heard they postponed the fundraiser, guess no vaccines for us.
W. K. Lis
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The "alternatives" will probably have legal loopholes, fine print, and will have so many "and's, if's, and but's" in them, the employees will need to pay a lawyer to fill out the multi-page forms needed, to satisfy Doug Ford that the "folks" need the sick days.
Videodrome
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Another backtrack!
Well now.
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Videodrome
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Well, that gives him a reason for not being present at question period and leaving his ministers to the wolves.
AlvinofDiaspar
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I am sure if you can use Zoom to fundraise, you can use Zoom to answer urgent questions regarding Ontario's COVID response.
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John_Dee
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He's such an irresponsible oaf, and it's perfectly transparent what he's doing here. Just like the 'mysterious' bomb scares that used to crop up at City Hall whenever the Fords needed a convenient distraction. It's contemptible, isn't it?