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MisterF

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At the open house on Friday I swear I saw perhaps 5% male students. On the one hand, I think my daughter is safe, on the other, speaking as one who found his future wife at university, I thought as a young man, this is the place to be. Yes, I’m conflicted, lol.
Damn, I should have gone to Trent!

Having grown up in Peterborough I'm as pro rail to Peterborough as anyone, but I can't see it happening before Via HFR. Hopefully with pressure from the pro-environment NDP and Greens, the federal government will make projects like this happen.
 

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At the open house on Friday I swear I saw perhaps 5% male students. On the one hand, I think my daughter is safe, on the other, speaking as one who found his future wife at university, I thought as a young man, this is the place to be. Yes, I’m conflicted, lol.
A valid concern, but still unreasonably uncharitable. Most young men are perfectly decent. In fact, I would say even cowed by the toxic campus culture with respect to sex, gender etc. I can relate to your sentiment because my liberal arts program was mostly women, but their political views made them quite undatable! As for Peterborough, it would likely get only one direction rush hour service to start and that might not useful for your daughter unless her schedule lines up exactly with the 9-5 work day. And even that level of service is highly questionable in the short term as others have pointed out above...
 

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A valid concern, but still unreasonably uncharitable. Most young men are perfectly decent. In fact, I would say even cowed by the toxic campus culture with respect to sex, gender etc. I can relate to your sentiment because my liberal arts program was mostly women, but their political views made them quite undatable!
Ha, you reminded me of my uni days. I did a four year degree at Ottawa in the early 1990s and the girls were definitely in that category. Plus sweat pants, pony tails and freshman 15 can slow any man's interest. Afterward I did a year business Post Diploma at GBC and it was night and day from uni, since the cosmetology program was in the same wing. Many a beauty.

Now, enough caveman nostalgia.... when I was touring Peterborough I saw the train station and thought it looks active. I suppose it's been repurposed. Hopefully it can be put back into service when VIA comes through, https://kawarthanow.com/2019/06/25/new-federal-funding-for-via-rail-project-brings-peterborough-one-step-closer-to-getting-passenger-rail-service/
 

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.... when I was touring Peterborough I saw the train station and thought it looks active. I suppose it's been repurposed. Hopefully it can be put back into service when VIA comes through,
Here’s where development oriented station building gets it wrong.
First question is, where does the heritage era depot sit in terms of the area’s transportation needs? It may be badly placed in relation to Highway 7/115, making it more difficult to built a transportation network beyond city boundaries.The folks I know in Peterboro might want it located elsewhere in light of main thoroughfares and bus routes in the city.
Second question is, what has Peterboro done in its urban plan to place a future rail station?
The current station is presently in a fairly scuzzy part of town.... not that any part of Peterboro is particularly unsafe or toxic - but the depot is where the town drifters hang out. How much parking would be possible? Will ML end up building a parking garage ? How much room for bus bays? Who owns the adjacent property, how is it zoned, what is the role of the old station in the city center plan? While Peterboro has long begged for a train service, I bet tbey have done little to actually consider how to integrate it.
And then along comes a developer with some land further out from downtown, willing to build a station there and offer parking, because they intend to build say a shopping mall anyways - is that best in terms of the city and region’s transportation needs? Developer profit should not be the deciding driver for placing the station in town.
All questions, and I don’t have a firm position on any of the answers - I’m just arguing against the presumption that the old depot ( a very nice structure) will play any part in HFR or GO service if either actually happened. And against a development oriented approach to the decision.
- Paul
 

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Here’s where development oriented station building gets it wrong.
First question is, where does the heritage era depot sit in terms of the area’s transportation needs? It may be badly placed in relation to Highway 7/115, making it more difficult to built a transportation network beyond city boundaries.The folks I know in Peterboro might want it located elsewhere in light of main thoroughfares and bus routes in the city.
Second question is, what has Peterboro done in its urban plan to place a future rail station?
The current station is presently in a fairly scuzzy part of town.... not that any part of Peterboro is particularly unsafe or toxic - but the depot is where the town drifters hang out. How much parking would be possible? Will ML end up building a parking garage ? How much room for bus bays? Who owns the adjacent property, how is it zoned, what is the role of the old station in the city center plan? While Peterboro has long begged for a train service, I bet tbey have done little to actually consider how to integrate it.
And then along comes a developer with some land further out from downtown, willing to build a station there and offer parking, because they intend to build say a shopping mall anyways - is that best in terms of the city and region’s transportation needs? Developer profit should not be the deciding driver for placing the station in town.
All questions, and I don’t have a firm position on any of the answers - I’m just arguing against the presumption that the old depot ( a very nice structure) will play any part in HFR or GO service if either actually happened. And against a development oriented approach to the decision.
- Paul
The station could always be picked up and moved to the better location.
 

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Here’s where development oriented station building gets it wrong.
First question is, where does the heritage era depot sit in terms of the area’s transportation needs? It may be badly placed in relation to Highway 7/115, making it more difficult to built a transportation network beyond city boundaries.The folks I know in Peterboro might want it located elsewhere in light of main thoroughfares and bus routes in the city.
Second question is, what has Peterboro done in its urban plan to place a future rail station?
The current station is presently in a fairly scuzzy part of town.... not that any part of Peterboro is particularly unsafe or toxic - but the depot is where the town drifters hang out. How much parking would be possible? Will ML end up building a parking garage ? How much room for bus bays? Who owns the adjacent property, how is it zoned, what is the role of the old station in the city center plan? While Peterboro has long begged for a train service, I bet tbey have done little to actually consider how to integrate it.
And then along comes a developer with some land further out from downtown, willing to build a station there and offer parking, because they intend to build say a shopping mall anyways - is that best in terms of the city and region’s transportation needs? Developer profit should not be the deciding driver for placing the station in town.
All questions, and I don’t have a firm position on any of the answers - I’m just arguing against the presumption that the old depot ( a very nice structure) will play any part in HFR or GO service if either actually happened. And against a development oriented approach to the decision.
- Paul
I wouldn't call the area where the historic station is located scuzzy. It's downtown on George Street, one of the main transit routes (all the buses still radiate out from downtown AFAIK). It currently houses the Chamber of Commerce.

The city has a spot near the 115/Parkway interchange designated for a commuter focused train station, on Harper Road I believe. There's been talk of a new station being developed on George Street downtown as well, but I don't know if that has any official status.

The planned station near the 115 would serve the commuter market but it wouldn't be very useful to Trent students. Trent is on the far opposite end of town and it would take two bus rides to get there. A downtown station would serve them much better. Since the tracks already run through downtown, the idea of two stations isn't unheard of (Barrie). Much like a lot of downtown Via stations in small cities, it would rely on transit, drop-offs, taxis/Uber, etc. and wouldn't need a huge parking lot.
 

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