Filip
Senior Member
Clap clap. That was eloquent. I assume the point I was trying to make went right over your head?
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OLG Toronto/GTA casino proposal (where to put it?)
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Clap clap. That was eloquent. I assume the point I was trying to make went right over your head?
RC8
Senior Member
And those studies are clearly insufficient when it comes to assessing the impacts of a megacasino in a thriving urban community.
What I take from them is that there's an awful lot that can go wrong, and very little that can improve relative to where the city is going anyway. I would like to see studies specifically projecting the economic potential for this site without a casino, for example.
TOperson
Active Member
Assume whatever you want. Smoke another cigarette while you're at it.
Filip
Senior Member
Oh no here comes the fun police! An aide of councillor Vaughan's I assume?
jaycola
Active Member
I demand that the study you demand includes the effect the mall and planetarium you propose (in place of a Casino) on Toronto's ability to attract foreign tourists, major trade show and convention business.
How many additional overnight hotel stays do you think will be spurred by a mall and a planetarium?
I wouldn't cross the street to visit a mall. Maybe I'd visit the planetarium once, twice if they brought back Laser Floyd... but I have flown to Atlantic city for New Years and to Las Vegas for my birthday with numerous couples. We spent nights in hotels, ate in restaurants and saw shows. Not one of us came home to shattered lives.
Each job created will provide an actual, calcuable and direct benefit to the individual who gets that job. I don't need a study to show that people benefit from working. Is it not possible that the actual benefit of jobs construction and taxes outweigh the potential social costs of gambling? Many of you against the proposal refuse to even consider the possibility of it.
How many jobs will a planetarium create? When McLaughlin closed it put 40 people out of work. Maybe since Montreal and London have closed their planetariums recently people will flock to Toronto for the experience? Well Poland seems to have 20 Planetariums to choose from. If I was a Planetarium enthusiast, maybe I'd go to Poland first? Hmmm...
Your link about increase in Jobs in the core means what to the unemployed? The essence is more people are working in less space, not more people working. Downtown job growth is meaningless if more people are still going without jobs in Toronto. You sound elitist when you say things making it sound as if jobs downtown are more valuable than jobs city wide. Do you think the hotel staff, the restaurant cooks, the parking attendants live in Downtown Toronto? They are coming from Mississauga and Ajax and Aurora and can't, even if they wanted to, afford to live downtown. Less people are paying taxes, not more. More people demand government services, just not more downtown.
From the City of Toronto, Numbers and statements that really matter.
I ask those who question the effect on the neighbourhood to identify the potential problem spots if this casino were to be built in this location? Looking at the area, which adjacent spot is at risk of negative consequences from the addition of a Casino to the convention centre?
Fantomex
New Member
dds are against hitting the jackpotTOperson
Active Member
Thanks for that insightful contribution to the casino debate.
jje1000
Senior Member
He is the person who has told others to off themselves over minor disagreeements, mind you.
TOperson
Active Member
Interesting to find these articles from a just a year ago.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/01/13/casino_in_toronto_unlikely.html
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/..._torontonians_dont_want_a_casino_in_city.html
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/01/13/casino_in_toronto_unlikely.html
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/..._torontonians_dont_want_a_casino_in_city.html
datamouse
Active Member
It's not as if counselors are all engaging in enlightening discussions with Torontonians.
TOperson
Active Member
With no context, and it being a Twitter comment, it's hard to judge it.
datamouse
Active Member
Sadly the person he was replying to put their twitter to private sometime after it was posted but all it was saying was touting the union jobs for a casino. Unfortunately since it's unverifiable now I guess we might as well just ignore it.
nfitz
Superstar
I'm pretty neutral and ambivalent about the whole issue.
Let's look at what has happened in similar cities. Perhaps the best example is the casino that was built near downtown Montreal.
Can someone quantify how good or terrible this has been for the city? Perhaps if we can how it has helped or hurt Montreal, we can see what it's going to do here.
Let's look at what has happened in similar cities. Perhaps the best example is the casino that was built near downtown Montreal.
Can someone quantify how good or terrible this has been for the city? Perhaps if we can how it has helped or hurt Montreal, we can see what it's going to do here.
gabe
Senior Member
The Toronto Star had an article on Montreal Casino last year. What can Toronto learn from Montreal’s downtown casino? http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...nto_learn_from_montreals_downtown_casino.html
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TOperson
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I'd be interested to know the revenues, not just the profits, because that tells us how much people are spending there - money they're not spending on other things, or saving.
If the profits to the PQ govt are $200M per year... say that's 5% of the total takings... so the revenues of the casino would be $4B annually. Wow. (I hope my math is wrong.)
I'd also be interested in the number of visitors, in addition to visits.
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