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Novel Coronavirus COVID-19 (nCoV-2019)

Towered said:
Those are just infections. What about the hospitalization rates?
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I suspect hospitalizations and even deaths will happen in the days/weeks to come. UK is already seeing a rise in hospitalizations.

it will happen here too. Get rid of masks, cases go up. It’s not rocket science.
 
picard102 said:
The question is, do they reach a point where it overwhelms the hospitals or not.
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It might not overwhelm the hospitals, but I just don't get why people are so annoyed by masks. If they can prevent some hospitalizations, why not continue to mandate them until the (estimated) number of cases goes down to a more reasonable level? Ensuring public health is more than just having well-functioning hospitals, it's about preventing their use.
 
This graph from Our World in Data is informative. A higher proportion of South Koreans are fully vaccinated and boosted (with similar vaccines). We'll see what happens in a few weeks.

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Bayer said:
This graph from Our World in Data is informative. A higher proportion of South Koreans are fully vaccinated and boosted (with similar vaccines). We'll see what happens in a few weeks.

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The problem being there are no obvious parallels in the graph. Natural immunity will play some part, and while Covid-zero policies have protected vulnerable people and the vaccine resistant, Omicron has made zero-Covid policies nearly impossible. We’re seeing flat graphs with recent spikes in countries with similar zero-Covid policies like Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, and (ignoring the initial start of the pandemic) China.

You can’t outrun Covid at this point. It’s here to stay.

Barring any major mutation and the fact we’re going into warmer weather, I don’t feel we’ll see another huge spike like they’re having.
 
zang said:
The problem being there are no obvious parallels in the graph. Natural immunity will play some part, and while Covid-zero policies have protected vulnerable people and the vaccine resistant, Omicron has made zero-Covid policies nearly impossible. We’re seeing flat graphs with recent spikes in countries with similar zero-Covid policies like Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, and (ignoring the initial start of the pandemic) China.

You can’t outrun Covid at this point. It’s here to stay.

Barring any major mutation and the fact we’re going into warmer weather, I don’t feel we’ll see another huge spike like they’re having.
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We have known for a very long time that COVID won't disappear and that its seasonality is dubious at best. My issue is dropping mask mandates now, when COVID is still widespread, considering this will lead inevitably to more deaths. After hearing public health authorities repeat that masks protect others perhaps more than ourselves (still very few people wear respirators), Dr Moore has a strange way of showing that he is doing his job of protecting public health when he says vulnerable people should continue to wear them.

I have met more than a few elderly people at the Manulife Centre who are concerned that this is happening too soon, and they are correct. (Cases are surging to a record high in people 70+ in the UK, even though more than 90% are boosted.) At the same time, the limit of 2 people per elevator is being lifted, of course.
 
Bayer said:
I have met more than a few elderly people at the Manulife Centre who are concerned that this is happening too soon, and they are correct. (Cases are surging to a record high in people 70+ in the UK, even though more than 90% are boosted.) At the same time, the limit of 2 people per elevator is being lifted, of course.
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I have high school aged kids next door to me, even they think the mask mandate is ending too soon. They have missed so much school this year because of Covid outbreaks and teacher absenteeism.

Just a couple weeks ago my mom lost one her best friends to compilations from Covid. She was hospitalized with Covid in January (fully vaxxed) And never recovered. This was a healthy fit 72 year old, who always kept on top of her health. She was on a nose cannula for the past three months, because her lungs were damaged. Her cause of death was pneumonia, which was caused by long covid.

There are still many unknowns in terms of the long term and short term effects covid has on people. Long Covid is WAY worse than vaccines side effects.

www.bbc.com

Long Covid: Hidden lung damage spotted on scans

A study detected abnormalities in people who had had Covid but did not need hospital treatment.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com


My friend who had mild covid last year, has since developed chronic fatigue syndrome.


www.kens5.com

The connection between COVID and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

COVID could triple the number of Americans with chronic fatigue, experts say.
www.kens5.com www.kens5.com
 
I know someone who has been hospitalized since early Feb, same scenario of pneumonia following COVID in a healthy fit fully vaccinated person. The upside is that these situations are not the norm thanks to vaccination, but there is still a level of risk. And it’s all just stats and data until it’s someone you know.
 
Bayer said:
Not one, but two demonstrations by trash yelling "Freedom!" today on Bloor St., a mere two days before the mask mandate ends.
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Yes, expecting the anti-maskers to be rational is like complaining that many homeless street people live surrounded by garbage. If they could deal with
'housekeeping' they would probably not be homeless.
 
Bayer said:
We have known for a very long time that COVID won't disappear and that its seasonality is dubious at best. My issue is dropping mask mandates now, when COVID is still widespread, considering this will lead inevitably to more deaths. After hearing public health authorities repeat that masks protect others perhaps more than ourselves (still very few people wear respirators), Dr Moore has a strange way of showing that he is doing his job of protecting public health when he says vulnerable people should continue to wear them.
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I agree. Dropping masks right now is stupid. My family will continue wearing ours for the time being. It’s nothing but idiocy on the part of Ford.
 
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