dowlingm
Senior Member
It's part of LaughTrack now. Maybe the stars could align sooner than that. Anyone know if Mount Dennis MSF will have "spare" capacity, and if so how much?
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Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs
- Thread starter W. K. Lis
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salsa
Senior Member
We just want our damn streetcars already.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Ben Spurr@BenSpurr 14m14 minutes ago
Breaking: Court docs show Metrolinx in talks with alternate vehicle supplier for Eglinton Crosstown as legal fight with Bombardier continues
Ben Spurr@BenSpurr 9m9 minutes ago
Docs say that allowing MX to terminate contract wouldn't damage B's reputation b/c B's "record of failure...around the globe is well known."
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Breaking: Court docs show Metrolinx in talks with alternate vehicle supplier for Eglinton Crosstown as legal fight with Bombardier continues
Ben Spurr@BenSpurr 9m9 minutes ago
Docs say that allowing MX to terminate contract wouldn't damage B's reputation b/c B's "record of failure...around the globe is well known."
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nfitz
Superstar
Is it me, or does this sound like a disaster in the making. The last comment doesn't sound like a winning argument in court. And the first one - you have to clean up the current contract before you issue a new one.
Sounds to me like Metrolinx has jumped the gun. And we are going to be paying big $ for this.
steveintoronto
Superstar
It's a hissy fit to try and sway a legal proceeding based on presented facts, not emotion. It's certainly not the behaviour of someone or organization confident in their legal case.
Steve X
Senior Member
Bombardier has done some good work and made a mess of other orders. Cities don't keep reordering more Flexity's for their failures. Good luck on court ML.
Tulse
Senior Member
I don't see why it's an issue at all -- Bombardier seems to be arguing that Metrolinx can't terminate the contract because it will make Bombardier look bad. Well, duh.
muller877
Senior Member
If Metrolinx cancels the contract without cause BBD will receive the lost profit on the transaction plus damages. Metrolinx will argue that there is cause and BBD has a crappy reputation and hence no damages to pay.
Of course that's b.s.
Only if we have the real court docs (they are public record so we should be able to see them). Not a reporters 140 word inflammatory comments on them.
nfitz
Superstar
If Metrolinx can prove that they can still achieve the contract requirements (which have been a moving target from Metrolinx - remember this isn't one-sided), then if the judge agrees that BBDs reputation has been tarnished, arguing it already sucked isn't likely to score you any points with the judge, and only increase the $ award for BBD.
dowlingm
Senior Member
There's a lot of posturing that goes on in court pleadings. Just look at those for a motor vehicle case. The defendant driver will be pleaded to be drunk, stoned, incapable and have a poorly maintained car. At trial, much of this will be discarded but at the beginning you don't rule anything out - in case.
Voltz
Senior Member
I'm well on the side of Metrolinx bearing the responsibility here, especially since they have no experience with this type of vehicle, and have reason to want the order reduced.
steveintoronto
Superstar
Not so fast. First off, there's no public record until after the case and all appeals, and secondly, this is Superior Court:
http://www.ontariocourts.ca/scj/publication-ban-requests/
And third:
The way Metrolinx are acting, it would appear they have a weak defence in court (remember, this is an action against Metrolinx, not the other way around) and so they're trying to sway public opinion with a hissy list. This indicates a likelihood that they will settle out of court, with that settlement stifling them from speaking publicly any more on the matter, so they're desperate to get "their side of the story" out before confidentiality of agreement takes hold.
"since they have no experience with this type of vehicle". Are you being facetious?
[Bombardier Flexity is a family of modern trams/streetcars and light rail vehicles manufactured by Bombardier Transportation. As of 2015, more than 3,500 Flexity vehicles are in operation around the world in Europe, Asia, Oceania, and North America in 100 cities among 20 countries internationally.[1] Production of the vehicles is done at Bombardier's global production plants[2] and by local manufacturers worldwide through technology transfer agreements.[3]]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexity
BBD are worthy of many crticisms, that certainly isn't one...
Edit: Please see clarification in post following. My apologies to Voltz.
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jordanmkasla2009
Active Member
I think he was talking about Metrolinx here. Metrolinx has a majority of their experience with Heavy Rail Diesel powered trains and buses. They don't really have a lot of experience with Light Rail Vehicles or Electric Multiple Unit trains.
In fact the only real experience they have with any kind of Multiple Unit trainset is the Union Pearson Express (Diesel/Electric Mutiple Unit).
steveintoronto
Superstar
Indeed! My bad, don't know how I completely misread that. Metrolinx have no excuse in that regard, save for executive level incompetence. In all fairness, BBD are due the same criticism, but it's Metrolinx facing the injunction, not BBD.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Metrolinx itself has zero experience they got it all by being given go traist by the government of ontario. Go transit is a cash cow for them. Don't forget the haris government dumped Go transita who kept running on their own until Metrolinx was thrust on us my the mcginty government.