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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)
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Dan416
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Uh, what? The Milton Line passes through literally the centre of Mississauga and if it were anywhere near as frequent as Lakeshore, the Milton stations in Missisauga would easily surpass those on the Lakeshore line. South Mississauga, which is served by Lakeshore, has been stagnating population compared to the centre and north of the city.
Looking at the new schedules, it seems like they took out some of the padding that they had added. I wonder if CPKC finished up some maintenance as I had noticed that the train was getting in slightly earlier than before.
But for the life of me I can't figure out why they keep adding trains leaving Union before 5 pm. There's now 5 trains that leave Union before 5 pm, with 5 after. Do that many people actually get off before 5? The 30 minute gap between the 5:25 pm and 5:55 pm trains are particularly egregious in my opinion.
Jonny5
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From personal experience working in a financial district office, there is a big trend of people to "leave early to beat the rush" around 2-3 p.m. and then they log in and finish working at home, often well after 5, but only sparsely online. It's tacitly accepted in my office.
They say you have to come in three days per week, but at the same time they tell us "the system only checks if your employee card was tapped at least one time, not when or how many times."
That said, people shifting their working hours to 8-4 or even earlier also appears to have become a trend too, again to beat the rush on the morning side of the commute. We have someone in my group who now does 7-3 each day. She says it works well as she can pick up the kid from school right around 3:45 to take him home for the day, and the kid is awake at 6:00 a.m. each day anyway so she has to get up early too.
I've always started at 8:30, but I live downtown so I'm not really impacted by commuting times.
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reaperexpress
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You seem to be missing the point. Housing is not a destination. It's an origin. I'm talking about the distribution of destinations. Downtown Missisauga (Square One) would be a destination, but the Milton Line literally doesn't go there.
There are fewer trains than in 2019 and each individual train is (anecdotally) less full than in 2019. Therefore ridership is lower than in 2019.
Dan416
Senior Member
What are the "destinations" along Lakeshore West, exactly? What at Mimico, Long Branch, Clarkson, Burlington, Appleby is there that isn't along the Milton Line? I live in Mississauga, and anecdotally, the Milton trains are much fuller than the Lakeshore trains. Port Credit and Oakville are "nice", but they're by no means more "destinations" than Streetsville or Cooksville.
I take the Milton Line several times a week. Anecdotally, it's extremely busy.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
I don't doubt that. The question is whether it's overcrowded with 12-car trains because that was the situation before the pandemic.
afransen
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I have multiple people my team working both 7-3 and 10-6, to help make commuting tolerable.
WB62
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None of that will be Alstoms responsibility come January 1st. At this point in time there isn’t enough time left to start any new classes for any positions besides CSA (and time will be running out for that too, I believe their classes are 6 weeks long) and have them finish before the transition date, so I believe its just a state of limbo until then.
dowlingm
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As the GO Transit door closes to Alstom, the Metrolink (Calif) one opens. Some pungent comments on the Reddit thread
ARG1
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FWIW Erindale GO is very close to UTM as the crow flies, in fact its by far the closest form of higher order transit to UTM. Sure its not on UTM campus itself, but I can imagine that with a bridge or some sort of direct link between UTM and Erindale, it could be one of the preferred ways of reaching UTM (aside from maybe the Dundas BRT - but even that's more of a local service).
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It's about a 30 minute walk even with a bridge looks like, that's an hour of walking per day, perhaps a bit much for commuting for most. Though it would be less than 10 minutes on a bicycle. Maybe they can put bike share docks at either end
.I measured out a possible path, which includes a bridge across the Credit River and building walking paths through Erindale Park.
reaperexpress
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Me: "The Milton line has fewer all-day trip generators than the Kitchener or LSW lines"
Them: "So you hate the Milton line?!"
Them: "So you hate the Milton line?!"
Sunnyside
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I would say it’s not as many fewer as is commonly argued, and certainly not enough to be noticable if all else (service) were the same. While it’s not exactly at the doorstep, this line does go as close as possible to UTM, MCC, and ECC.
Something explains the extremely high ridership pre-pandemic, and I think it’s because the line is very well positioned in the suburban fabric. The dearth of employment areas in Mississauga alone could go toe to toe with whatever reverse-commuting occurs towards Hamilton or Kitchener if properly serviced.
Barring all that, I still don’t think we can say the Milton line does not have good all day trip generators if the line isn’t open outside of peak; we can literally *only* examine this line at the time GO is doing the worst, relatively speaking. That is no test.
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crs1026
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I would even take this one step further
Me: "Metrolinx and the Province do not have the funding or the project bandwidth to attack the Milton line at this time"
Them: "So you hate the Milton line?!"
Me: "No, but it's a particularly big project, and it needs a full solution (ie two dedicated tracks for GO, alongside CP's tracks) and that's more than we can pile on ML's plate at this time when RER and various subway/LRT projects are not yet completed, and by the way there are reasons why those projects had to go first"
Them: "So you hate the Milton line?!"
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guavadelic
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I take your point but its really frustrating to watch them waste billions on pre-election shenanigans then cry poor when it comes to tackling important gaps in the regional rail system.