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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

@crs1026 by "regional rail" in your post above, were you referring to non-GO RER stuff, or that even with federal funding for GO RER it's not enough?

The four GO Transit RER projects are included in the first phase of Metrolinx’s GO RER program. The Government of Canada is providing Ontario with up to $1,899,315,000 under the New Building Canada Fund’s Provincial-Territorial Infrastructure Component-National and Regional Projects for the projects, and will fund up to 50 per cent of total eligible project costs.

https://www.infrastructure.gc.ca/ontario-20170331-eng.html
 
@crs1026 by "regional rail" in your post above, were you referring to non-GO RER stuff, or that even with federal funding for GO RER it's not enough?

I stand corrected. I had it reversed - my dusty memory thought that Trudeau had announced funding for other transit that allowed Wynne to move money towards GO, when it was the reverse. He announced support for GO that reduced Ontario's tab for RER, freeing provincial funding for other things.

Setting these facts aside, I still feel Ottawa could go much further than they are going to a) promote VIA in Southern Ontario and b) pave the way for provincial or regional transit initiatives - I would include BC and Montreal in that.

I wonder how much of that federal money has actually been released - those projects are not that far along.

That tape of the recent town hall says lots - Verster's chagrin about not being able to move faster on the Kitchener line improvements was evident, but at the end of the day it's hard to understand what is taking so long. "Capacity studies" ??? Sounds like CN continuing to rag the puck in hopes that the province will enrich the deal out of desperation. I support ensuring CN gets a fair deal, but this sounds like letting them apply an unjust level of leverage.

- Paul
 
Setting these facts aside, I still feel Ottawa could go much further than they are going to a) promote VIA in Southern Ontario and b) pave the way for provincial or regional transit initiatives - I would include BC and Montreal in that.
Where Ottawa could make a huge difference is in applying existing legislation, not the least the Transportation and
Railway Relocation and Crossing Act - Laws.justice.gc.ca
, but we've discussed this prior and you doubt the veracity of the powers claimed in those Acts, even though sections have been used before, and some used by reference in National Capital Act and others.

A huge rework of VIA is also 40 years overdue. The legislation never was completed, and VIA stumbles along to this day at the whim of Parliament, not as a de-facto Corp.

I wonder how much of that federal money has actually been released - those projects are not that far along.
Most of the disbursement is *after the fact*, albeit it might be different from grant to grant. In other words, (and this has Constitutional basis, albeit the Feds like Vaughan can't have this both ways) the Province invoices the Feds for their share after.

Verster's chagrin about not being able to move faster on the Kitchener line improvements was evident, but at the end of the day it's hard to understand what is taking so long. "Capacity studies" ???
CN. Plain and simple. Until they are forced or coerced, they're indifferent at best, talk of "MOUs" besides...which are totally baseless in Cdn law, and most western nations. If Ford had any sense of...well...no using squeezing that dry sponge...it's almost totally in the hands of the Feds to take initiative on this. Unless it's a highway, Ford isn't in gear. The answer is going to have to be through the InfraBank, or directly as a PFI. On the basis of a consortium or group approaching the Feds for 'back-up' (and perhaps legislation to make things easier) to mandate the 'detour' for CN (and CP, show no favouritism) once the project is finished and then CN and CP handover the Midtown Corridor and Milton lines to either the Feds, the Province, or the builders of the By-Pass in lieu of their new 'digs'. Been done before, this is not a precedent, by any means.

Since this is completely a federal competence, Ford can stick his leg out all he likes, he'll just lose his balance and fall on his face as he's apt to do.

Sounds like CN continuing to rag the puck in hopes that the province will enrich the deal out of desperation.
Province won't have anything to do with this, save for getting sucked along by the inertia of passing trains. This is Ford we're dealing with, not someone with sense and vision.
 
Well in 2031 Niagara Falls was only expected to have 400 riders a day, so there's that.

That's still more than Kitchener currently, and half the Kitchener commuters get off in Guelph and Brampton so it's not like it's bad ridership for one station. There's also huge ridership potential between Kitchener and Guelph. It could be a good idea to run a stop-gap DMU style service between the west side of Kitchener and Guelph. There are like 20K commuters between the cities, and no one likes taking the 7.
 
It could be a good idea to run a stop-gap DMU style service between the west side of Kitchener and Guelph.
It would be a far better idea, as promoted by the Dillon report for Guelph some seven years back, and a number of reports since, that GRT and Guelph Transit have connecting bus routes. It will be a fraction of the cost, and far closer and usable to commuters.
Transit Growth Strategy – Executive Summary - City of Guelph
A recent proposal by one of the country’s largest chambers of commerce to put many of the region’s transit agencies under one roof is something that should be seriously considered, Guelph’s mayor says.
[...]
The idea of merging the transit agencies for Guelph and Waterloo Region, or at least having a co-operating relationship is not a new one.

In the Transit Growth Strategy, released in 2010, Dillon Consulting recommended establishing inter-regional transit in the area, saying “a first stage to developing these higher order inter-regional services might involve linking conventional and paratransit services of Guelph Transit and Grand River Transit.” While the report recommended introducing this service in the second year of a five-year plan, it was not done.
[...]
Petric says Guelph Transit and its riders would stand to benefit by joining forces with Grand River Transit due to the latter’s size.

“GRT is a bigger organization, they have more resources, whereas Guelph Transit will never have those resources due to the size of our city and transit system,” he says. [...]
Mayor: Guelph transit users would benefit from larger, inter-regional ...
 
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Complementary, yes, 'complimentary'....not so much, albeit transit is free in some cities.

It must be remembered that the 'North Mainline' is now mostly owned by Metrolinx to K/W, and looking at buying the stretch from K/W to London, albeit CN seem to have a new interest in using it for freight.

I'm not sure - CN also took back operations over the Hagersville Sub between Brantford and Garnet (near Jarvis). Previously, a different short line operator had operated that section. I doubt CN is interested in running through heavy freight service over the Guelph Sub - that would require a lot of upgrades and the Dundas Sub is probably sufficient.

There are probably other reasons why CN is taking back some of the branch line rail operations.
 
There are probably other reasons why CN is taking back some of the branch line rail operations.
Just Googling on this, and have read mention in these forums that CN wants greater freight use of the route, admittedly perplexing in light of previous statements and actions...and just trying to confirm that when I tripped across this:
Ontario shortlines' leased trackage returning to CN this year
By Stephen C. Host | April 24, 2018
[...]
Goderich-Exeter
The Goderich-Exeter Railway between Stratford and Goderich, Ont., was founded in 1992 with a purchase of the Goderich and Exeter subdivisions from CN by Railtex for $4 million. In 1998, the Goderich-Exeter Railway expanded significantly by adding the CN Guelph subdivision and all associated branch lines to its network, with a 20-year lease adding 100 miles of track and tripling the size of the Goderich branch. Both the Southern Ontario and Goderich were merged into Rail America by 2000 after acquisitions of Raillink Canada Inc. and Railtex by Rail America.

The railroads have been operated by Genesee & Wyoming Canada Inc. since 2012. Neither G&W nor CN have responded to Trains News Wire requests for comment, but in a notice sent to customers by CN's marketing department, the Hagersville Subdivision will revert to CN effective Sept. 18. The Northern & Northwestern Spur, Hamilton yard, and associated track will revert back to CN on Dec. 13. The Goderich-Exeter Railway between London and Silver, Ont., including all branch lines, with exception to Stratford-Goderich will revert to CN control in November.
[...]
Since the original Goderich-Exeter Railway from Stratford to Goderich and Centralia was purchased from CN, it’s expected to simply shrink to their original size it was before 1998. The Guelph Subdivision is operated by Goderich daily with as many as six starts per day in Stratford, Kitchener, and Cambridge. Ont. The Goderich-Exeter handles about 25,000 cars annually systemwide, and is likely to shrink to 5,000 cars annually and be based only out of Stratford, Ont., once CN reacquires the main line and branches from the short line.
http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wir...nes-leased-trackage-returning-to-cn-this-year

More from Host: (Early April, 2018)
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Last week a letter was faxed/mailed to all affected customers, and area terminals in Ontario stating some very simple facts, and I'll quote it verbatim - shorting irrelevant portions out, noting that this is the first public mention of this plan since it was rumoured some years ago, and furthermore, as of today, CN and GWRR have yet to issue any official press releases on the subject. As follows:

"CN is pleased to announce that we will be assuming control of operations for the following rail lines:

Southern Ontario Railway's Hagersville subdivision effective September 18 2018. This rail line includes the following stations: Caledonia, Hagersville and Nanticoke.
SOR's Hamilton subdivision effective December 13 2018. this rail line includes the Hamilton rail station"

And in a separate page"CN is pleased to announce that we will be assuming control of operations of the following stations on the Goderich-Exeter Railway (GEXR's) Guelph Subdivision effective November 15 2018: London east, Thorndale, Kelly's, St. Marys, Stratford, Shakespeare, New Hamburg, Baden, Petersburg, Kitchener/Waterloo, Breslau, Acton, Elmira, St. Jacobs, Galt, and Cambridge"

Many of the employees of the SOR and GEXR browse this site and it is my personal opinion that CN is making a mistake - but it's not our decision is it. There may be forces at work far greater than local managements control that are effecting these decisions. I simply wish all the best to those affected and hope that everyone is treated fairly, and with respect. As you go out to photograph these operations, I ask the same of our RP.CA members, to remember the livelihoods on the line and to give the same respect and distance, over time we'll see what happens and what CN's plan is. It will be business as usual until then... and only then will we know what exactly is to happen - as anything in the railway, until it actually happens, there is always the 'subject to change' rule that rings true.
http://www.railpictures.ca/upload/f...ly-and-the-inevitable-seems-like-its-now-goin
 
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Where Ottawa could make a huge difference is in applying existing legislation, not the least the Transportation and
Railway Relocation and Crossing Act - Laws.justice.gc.ca
, but we've discussed this prior and you doubt the veracity of the powers claimed in those Acts, even though sections have been used before, and some used by reference in National Capital Act and others.

I don’t doubt that there is some legal process that might be applied, I just question your interpretation of how productively it can be applied. Clearly, it is so favourable to the freight railways that no commuter agency would dare resort to it. That’s not condusive to concluding negotiations. Do you have any rulings that set precedent for how a decision would be costed - rates of return, pricing of land and physical assets, projection of traffic levels and long term opportunity costs? I suspect it’s a crap shoot. Any good lawyer will advise, don’t ask a question unless you are willing to live with the answer.... clearly no one is willing to take those risks.

Sure, any effective third-party process operates on the basis of saying to both parties, ‘settle this yourselves because you won’t like the answer if we settle it for you”. But over a year ago, negotiations with CN were said to be proceeding with an Inductance study. Now we have a Capacity study. It sure feels like CN is playing the “fetch me a shrubbery” game. Under a fairer process, there would be more challenge to the reasonableness of CN’s position, and more interest in a time-based resolution.

Alternatively, if Ottawa has given up on the concept of mixed use of rail lines, and requires that passenger and commuter rail develop their own dedicated right of ways, we ought to be injecting that into the urban planning process asap.

Best case, CN and ML are working on some sort of framework principle statement that covers all intrusions of GO trains on various lines.... no point solving Brampton and then having to repeat the whole thing with Bayview.

- Paul
 
I don’t doubt that there is some legal process that might be applied, I just question your interpretation of how productively it can be applied.
The
Railway Relocation and Crossing Act - Laws.justice.gc.ca
has been used many times in the past. I've posted examples over the years in these forums. The most profound use of it was invoked under the National Capital Act, where direct reference is made to the Act, the Transportation Act and others. Ottawa, for better or worse, is radically transformed as a result. More recently, it's been used in western cities.

One of the agencies (CTA) able to invoke the Act offers testimony to a Parliamentary Cmte here: http://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/TRAN/meeting-14/evidence

I'll paste in an extensive, very up to date article at the end of this post.
Clearly, it is so favourable to the freight railways that no commuter agency would dare resort to it.
It's not directly for a "commuter agency" to do. It's for a provincial (in this case) entity or the government itself to petition. Or in the case of the National Capital Act, the Federal Gov't itself. In the case of the 'Toronto Freight Bypass' or '407 Freight Bypass', the managing agency is Metrolinx and the municipal governments involved promoting it. They can petition the CTA directly, but best it be done through QP to the CTA. That is a legal point to discuss.

Do you have any rulings that set precedent for how a decision would be costed - rates of return, pricing of land and physical assets, projection of traffic levels and long term opportunity costs?
There's been many, but rather than find them again and post them (I've already done it a few times in these forums), here's the very recent article on Regina that I mentioned:
A roadmap to rail relocation: Those who've fought to move unwanted tracks offer advice to Fougere
Rail relocation is expensive, fraught with political pitfalls and largely dependent on the whims of the province, say experts. But it's also possible

ARTHUR WHITE-CRUMMEY, REGINA LEADER-POST
Updated: August 3, 2018

A quarter century before Mayor Michael Fougere uttered the words “rail relocation” at Regina City Council, two other mayors were putting similar dreams to rest.

In Regina, former mayor Larry Schneider, then an MP, watched as years of planning came undone. In 1990, the province held back funding for the city’s massive rail relocation project.

“I remember just internally shaking my head,” he said, recalling how council gradually lost faith and abandoned the idea under the weight of spiralling costs.

In Red Deer, Mayor Robert McGhee was watching the tracks leave his city’s downtown, a successful end to 12 years and four terms of lobby efforts. In 1992, he left his successor a city where, in his words, “people can move much smoother and quicker.”

McGhee’s triumph and Schneider’s disappointment are rich in lessons for Regina, where officials are now considering rail relocation as one of three solutions for the widely reviled Ring Road grade crossings. So are the examples of Surrey and Winnipeg, two cities where some still hope to get derailed relocation plans back on track.

Together, they prove that rail relocation is expensive, fraught with political pitfalls and largely dependent on the whims of the provincial government. But it’s also possible. Those who’ve been through it before say Fougere will have to lobby hard and get everyone on board. The city can’t move the rails on its own.

“Never give up,” McGhee advised Fougere. “They’re not going to do anything unless somebody puts a little pressure on them.”

Fougere said he appreciates the advice.

“I think that’s exactly what I’m going to be doing,” he said. “I’m persistent.

“I strongly believe that if the will is there, it will happen.”

Complex, serious and very expensive
On April 30, Fougere dropped a big surprise at a city council meeting. The mayor had been floating overpass and underpass options to relieve the incessant Ring Road traffic backlogs caused by passing trains. That evening, he added rail relocation to the list.

All three options will be explored as part of a feasibility study priced at $300,000, with $200,000 more available at the discretion of the city manager. It’s due back in mid-2019.

Fougere said administration has already hinted that moving the rails may prove the least expensive option. He said Canadian Pacific and Canadian National, which each run one line over the Ring Road, are willing to talk.

“They’re just aware of what we want to do,” he said in a recent interview. “I’m sending a letter to both CN and CP to talk to them about this sometime in the near future.”

But beyond talking, their position is unclear. In statements to the Leader-Post, the rail companies wouldn’t go far beyond stressing the expense and complexity of moving the rails.

“Relocation of rail lines and yards is a complex and serious issue,” a CP representative wrote. “An extensive review would need to take place to determine the impact to customer service and the full cost to all stakeholders, which will be significant.”

“CN is always open to discussing rail issues with municipalities,” as a company statement put it. “Rail relocation is a complex issue and potentially very expensive.”

It is indeed. McGhee said Red Deer’s relocation cost about $72 million — and that was decades ago. The plan Schneider pushed during the ’80s was valued at $84 million, with delays pushing up projected costs with inflation.

Today’s estimates are far, far higher. A recent report presented to Saskatoon City Council pegged relocation costs in that city at nearly $590 million, with total benefits of $392 million. That wasn’t considered viable from a purely monetary point of view.

But Fougere is quick to point out that he’s focussing on just two lines, not the city’s entire rail infrastructure. That’s far less ambitious than Saskatoon’s plan, and even more modest than the original Regina relocation scheme.

Even moving a single line can prove costly, however. A preliminary estimate for the track that runs along the Surrey’s waterfront hovered in the $350-million to $450-million range, according to a report presented to the Vancouver suburb’s city council.

Surrey Coun. Judy Villeneuve said that’s simply too much for her city, along with the neighbouring municipality of White Rock, to pay on their own.

“There’s no way that the city would be able to take it on,” she said.

Money hard to come by, and harder to keep

Hesitations in Victoria mean the Surrey-White Rock project is now looking like a dead end, according to Villeneuve. The two cities funded an initial consultant’s report, she said, but now they can’t afford the cost of a further $900,000 study to move the plan forward.

“Neither the provincial government nor the federal government are willing to put some money into it, and the cities can’t afford to do the study themselves,” she told the Leader-Post.

It’s not the first time reticence from higher levels of government has sunk rail relocation at an early stage. Winnipeg got rid of its CN yards in the late 1980s, making way for the now-popular Forks site. But the much larger CP yards continue to divide the city.

The previous NDP government in Manitoba agreed to bring on former Quebec Premier Jean Charest to lead a study on moving the yards — but two months later it was out of office. The new PC government told Charest to stay home. Moves to relocate the CP yards have remained on hold ever since.

Like Villeneuve, Schneider does not think rail relocation is possible without provincial support. The slow death of his Regina bid proves the point. On March 29 1990, Grant Devine’s government announced that the province wouldn’t be paying its share.

The next day, the Leader-Post called the provincial announcement “a spike into the coffin of Regina’s massive rail relocation project.” Schneider’s successor, Doug Archer, suggested that the province was trying to back out of its $25-million funding commitment.

And that’s precisely what happened. The money didn’t come in 1991, or anytime thereafter. A shadow of the plan hung on for a few more years, with the Leader-Post’s Mike O’Brien writing a eulogy in 1994.

He called Ottawa’s 1992 decision to pull its matching $25 million “the killing stroke” for relocation.

Fougere said the earlier deal lacked an “airtight relationship.”

“There were good intentions and there were agreements, but then when the money came to flow it didn’t flow,” he said.

He said he has spoken to federal Minister Ralph Goodale about securing federal participation for his current push, and has broached the issue with Saskatchewan’s government relations minister at the sidelines of another event.

He doesn’t have any clear sign they’re willing to put in money, and doesn’t expect it until after the feasibility study. But he said he won’t stop pushing until he has an emphatic “no.”

“I’ll make sure, as best as my ability can be, to get the attention of senior governments,” said Fougere.
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ARTHUR WHITE-CRUMMEY, REGINA LEADER-POST
Updated: August 3, 2018
[...]
Reticent railways
Schneider has a pretty good idea of why support for the city’s former plan dissipated: Delays. And that’s something he blames on the rail companies.

“We had all kinds of pushback from the railroads,” he said.

Schneider said the rail companies — and especially CP — did everything they could to hold up Regina’s project, questioning cost estimates and then fighting a years-long legal battle with the city.

The rail companies lost at court, but in the meantime priorities changed and costs escalated with inflation.

“Time was the friend of those that didn’t like rail relocation,” he said.

“Given the passage of time, the costs went up and the government started to get nervous about the thing.

“It was kind of one of these things they wish they hadn’t signed,” he said of the province.

Projects were more likely to see success when the railways saw something in it for themselves. According to McGhee, the previous Red Deer line had a steep grade and unsuitable facilities. CP was eager for a fix.

“The facilities they had were really outdated for the modern life of trains, so it was a great benefit for them as well,” he said.

McGhee said the rail company never put up any resistance, and was willing to sign a contract to do design work and physically move the rails.

But the railways have been willing to make life difficult for other relocation proponents. Coun. Villeneuve in Surrey says she has faced headaches with BSFN Railway.

“They’re not anxious to move because it’s high cost,” she said.

“They may need to be forced.”

Expropriation: ‘A very extreme option’
Fortunately, there are ways to do precisely that. A municipality’s main weapon in overcoming railway opposition is the federal Rail Relocation and Crossing Act.

The Act allows the a city to submit a plan to the Canadian Transportation Agency (CTA), which can then order a rail company to remove its tracks, stop operating a line or build new facilities.

There’s two catches: The province must be on board; and the rail company must neither gain nor lose in the process.

That could mean substantial cash outlays. According to lawyer and transportation consultant Mary Jane Bennett, the railways must end up with functionally equivalent rail lines.

Bennett spent nine years with the CTA, serving on the board that actually decides those cases. She said the Act can be the best way to get relocation done, especially since it allows for a federal grant funding up to 50 per cent of the project’s cost.

She said the price tag can sometimes look quite expensive on paper, but the Act lets cities factor in the long-term benefits a rail company will reap from avoiding urban slowdowns.

“That’s huge,” she said. “If I’m cutting down their time then I’m entitled to recoup that operating efficiency over a 15-year period, which is a large amount… That will be deducted from whatever the cost is.”

Bennett kept repeating the same advice: Use the Act, and make sure to consider those savings before giving up on a relocation plan.

“At least explore that before you write off the project,” she said.

Regina went down that path in Schneider’s day, using the Act in its battle against the rail companies and winning CTA approval. Fougere hopes he won’t have to use it again — or at least not its expropriatory powers.

He called that “a very extreme option.”

“We fully hope and expect and anticipate a fair amount of cooperation and discussion,” said Fougere. “When we get to the end we’ll see, but I don’t envisage using that kind of an Act… I just don’t see it in the cards.”

Not in my backyard
Another pitfall awaits the city that dares move its rail lines: They have to go somewhere else.

That was a major challenge for Surrey’s project.

Villeneuve said there was public backlash to a draft design that would have moved the rail line from the waterfront to a corridor in the city’s east. Nearby residents opposed that idea, and the councillor and her allies had a “reaction” to deal with.

“Unless you have a location where you’re going to put that rail, where it’s not going to affect other residents, you’re going to a have a scene on your hands,” she said.

Decades ago, Regina’s relocation plan courted similar outcry from residents and councillors in the city’s northwest, the spot slated to host realigned railways. In January 1990, about 100 people gathered at Michael A. Riffel High School to make their opposition known.

“Who wants to wake up to the bang of a train running into another train or a chemical spill?” asked a Lakewood resident at the time, according to a Leader-Post article.

Schneider said new candidates inevitably rode that wave of outrage to election, turning council away from an idea it had once supported. He thinks the same thing will happen this time if Regina can’t find a route that satisfies all corners of the city.

“I have no doubt in my mind that there will be someone opposing it just for the sake of getting further recognition,” he said.

But Fougere said that’s one way this time is different. The two lines he’s targeting pass almost entirely through industrial areas, with one running through Eastview and the other brushing up against Northeast Regina. He said it would be much easier to keep them far from residential areas.

He said it might involve discussion with the Rural Municipality of Sherwood to ensure the city gets it right.

“We would look where there’s any possible rights of way that exist already and that would be a logical place to look,” he said.

“If it’s relocation then of course we’ll talk to all the partners to see what could be done.”

‘The only way to go’
Asked to handicap Fougere’s chances of fixing the Ring Road crossing, Schneider said it’s little better than a coin toss.

“I’m going to say 55/45 that we’ll see something positive there,” said the former Regina mayor.

But Fougere said he’s learned the lessons of the past. He said the main one is simple: “Don’t do what we did last time.”

He said it will be “critical” to get a firmer funding arrangement in place before moving forward with a plan — whether it’s relocation, an overpass or an underpass. He said an existing bilateral agreement between the province and the feds will make that easier than it was in Schneider’s day.

“That kind of framework was not necessarily in place back then. That’s why I think there’s more clarity,” he said.

“Now it’s much more difficult to withdraw from a project.”

That might help keep willing partners from backing out later, but Fougere will have to get financial support first. And Bennett, McGhee and Villeneuve have advice about how he should do it.

Villeneuve said he’ll need to start lobbying early. Supporters will need to craft “a good solid plan” and find out how to present relocation in a way that avoids public backlash.

“You have to be pretty clear and careful when you go into public consultation,” she said, “because that can derail it.”

Bennett said Fougere will have to make pitches to each level of government focussing on how relocation will tie into their priorities: GDP growth, faster transportation, boosts to tourism, environmental protection.

She said the city should nail down a route quickly and involve residents at every step of the way.

“Keep everything public,” she said. “Set up a website to keep people apprised of how this is proceeding, to promote it. It’s easy to promote because it’s promoting Saskatchewan.”

The best guide could be McGhee. His plan was the big success, after all. Everything seemed to fall into place at once.

The rail company didn’t fight back. The rural region surrounding Red Deer played along too. Money was available. The Alberta government had launched a program to build highway bypasses, McGhee said, and he was able to tie relocation into it. Ultimately, the province paid 90 per cent of Red Deer’s relocation costs.

Was he just lucky? Maybe, but it took him his whole career as mayor and careful negotiation to get to that point. His advice to Fougere: Be persistent. He says Regina’s mayor will have to sell everyone on the benefits of relocation and the costs of inaction.

“I think they have to outline the pluses,” he said. “Our traffic can move through without waiting, so you’re saving on time for your taxpayers, you’re saving on fuel costs.”

That’s just the beginning, he said. Think pollution, delays for emergency vehicles and slowdowns for the railways themselves.

If Fougere and his administration can lay that out in detail, McGhee thinks the answer will be clear.

“When you look at the long term, the only way to go is to relocate.”
https://leaderpost.com/news/local-n...-move-unwanted-tracks-offer-advice-to-fougere
 
To reinforce the competence for the CTA to act as stated above in testimony before the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities:
[...]
The third mandate is related to the relocation of railway lines or the rerouting of railway traffic in urban areas in situations where a railway company and the provincial or municipal government cannot agree. However, these powers may be used only when certain criteria are met, including a determination by the agency that any such relocation or rerouting would occur at no net cost to the railway company. Importantly, the agency has not been approached under this act since the 1980s.

The fourth rail-related mandate deals with railway crossings and cost apportionment.
The construction or reconstruction of a crossing can be negotiated between a railway company and other parties. If the parties cannot come to an agreement, the parties can ask the Agency to resolve the dispute. The Agency also has a role to play when parties cannot agree on how to apportion the costs of constructing, altering or operating a railway work. If the parties cannot agree on the allocation of costs, either party may refer the matter to the Agency, before, during or after construction or alteration of the railway work, to resolve the dispute. [...]
http://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/TRAN/meeting-14/evidence

To repeat a point I've made prior: To think that the present Con confabulation would financially back such a concept is beyond fantasy. That's where Private Finance Initiative comes in. The 407 Bypass or a lesser CN Bypass + scheme would not only have a profitable return to invested cost, it would release very valuable land for the rail companies adjacent to their present city corridors which of course the RoWs of such would be transferred to Metrolinx in some manner or form, perhaps leased if a Consortium retained corridor ownership in lieu of providing the Class 1's an even better route.

The Feds would almost certainly freely participate, they might have to under the Relocations Act anyway, but it would serve them well to doing so for a number of reasons, not least a much greater efficiency of rail movement around the GTHA. This would be an absolutely opportune example of where the Infrastructure Bank could assemble a consortium, and have an 'inside track' (pun fully intended) to the TranspoMin and Cabinet, the latter who can not only shepherd the legalities, but actually overrule or take direct control of CTA decisions pertaining to it. For investors, that's a huge value being brought to the table, a legal understanding of which would garner far greater participation of private capital.

And the rationale (admittedly something in very short supply) for the Ford trans-axles? Saved money.
 
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The GO RER Business Plan was also suggestive of express between Union-Burlington as one of the many possible stopping plans of a Lakeshore West hourly to Hamilton -- but that may require extra Lakeshore West track. I guess time will tell what level of service will happen.

Provisionally, the hourly train is express to Oakville and allstop afterwards. But that stopping pattern may change later on in the futureif there is large ridership Burlington and beyond.

Now, the $50 million question is.... When will they add West Harbour to the Niagara train service? The complexities of turning West Harbour into a through station must be wrangled with CN and all stakeholders. Ideally this should be happening 2019, but I'm not seeing any further action at the east end of the West Harbour tracks -- I guess that depends on what Ford wants to do.

According to the Greater Region website, express service is still the plan.
 
That's still more than Kitchener currently, and half the Kitchener commuters get off in Guelph and Brampton so it's not like it's bad ridership for one station. There's also huge ridership potential between Kitchener and Guelph. It could be a good idea to run a stop-gap DMU style service between the west side of Kitchener and Guelph. There are like 20K commuters between the cities, and no one likes taking the 7.

To be clear, the vast majority of current Kitchener train passengers do stay on past Guelph and Brampton, but that's because the train times are highly impractical for any other commute type. The last GO train of the day from Kitchener departs at 07:10, arriving in Guelph at 07:34.

Then again, the GO service pretty impractical for KW-TO commuters too, given that there's only one GO express train per day and the rest take over two hours. So to be honest it's remarkable that so many people take the GO train from Kitchener at all.

The intercity service between KW and Guelph is shockingly terrible for two cities so close and interconnected otherwise. Greyhound takes 45 minutes and GO buses take over an hour (with a transfer at Aberfoyle), compared to 24 minutes by GO or VIA train (which should drop to about 19 minutes when the current track upgrades are complete next year, and eventually 16 minutes once the line is upgraded to 90mph). A DMU from Kitchener to Guelph would be hugely meaningful for the development of both cities and should be easily justified as a preliminary phase of Kitchener regional rail while we await the Missing Link through Brampton.
 
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Speaking of the Kitchener Line, the new AM trip added in the September schedule is interesting:
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The fact that it starts one stop after the busiest station on the line is telling about the track configuration/capacity issues at Bramalea. My guess is that the single-track segment just east of Bramalea and the closed south platform mean that getting the train westbound into the station would create unacceptable conflicts with eastbound service.

It's also notable that the new shoulder-peak trip is a mere 8 minutes ahead of the next GO train, meanwhile there's still a 30-minute gap in service at the height of rush hour. The fact that none of the existing trips from Kitchener were converted to run express may be due to the trip's odd timing and/or the lack of connection at Bramalea.

If the south platform at Bramalea were reopened, I think we would be able to run a more logical schedule something like this:
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Like the 9:00 departure from Mount Pleasant, the new local train arrives at the start of its trip by deadheading counter-peak from downtown. If the south platform at Bramalea were completed and the double-track were extended the last few hundred metres into the station, these two movements could become in-service counter-peak express trips, similarly to the new superexpress trips on the Lakeshore lines. The current counter-peak express bus service takes 55 minutes from Union to Bramalea with one stop at Malton, but a train would run that same service in about 30 minutes. That's a serious improvement, especially for customers to Kitchener who need to transfer to Route 30 at Bramalea anyway.

Currently the counter-peak deadhead to Mount Pleasant heads westbound to the end of the double track west of Malton, then sits there waiting for the 8:35 departure from Bramalea to pass eastbound. The trip can't just run in service as-is because there wouldn't be enough time to serve Bramalea and still make it to Mount Pleasant in time, and the counter-peak trip would suck anyway since it sits around just outside Bramalea station. If the double-track were extended into the south platform at Bramalea, this sitting could occur at the platform after passengers had been dropped off at the station, providing a fast trip to them and actually giving the train a slightly earlier start toward Mount Pleasant.
 

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It's also notable that the new shoulder-peak trip is a mere 8 minutes ahead of the next GO train, meanwhile there's still a 30-minute gap in service at the height of rush hour. The fact that none of the existing trips from Kitchener were converted to run express may be due to the trip's odd timing and/or the lack of connection at Bramalea.

The whole point of this trip is to try and off-load some of the demand of that following trip. This is how GO tries to deal with crowding conditions, rather than improve/reduce the headway between trips in an even - and potentially clockface - fashion.

If you look around GO's many timetables, you will find almost literally hundreds of examples of this kind of thing.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 

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