steveintoronto
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Don't want to digress from the string surmise, but 'Volkswagen' is the 'People's Car'...brought to you by....(they called themselves 'socialists', but they sure weren't...)
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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)
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SaugeenJunction
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I'm very curious to see what these Lakeshore increases will do to ridership. Gonna be a weird paradox. Lots of more weekday service on LSW starting Monday, and reductions to hourly service on weekend for Canpa detours.
stanko
Active Member
Every single news release since Ford got elected has used that wording. I find it weird mostly for the fact that I thought government news releases had to be in "neutral" language, this just comes off as creepy
mdrejhon
Senior Member
And respectively....
Lakeshore West Quirks
A few superexpresses to Oakville and one to Appleby -- (of all places!)
And the 20min frequency is more like 15-15-30 (3 trains an hour).
Lakeshore West Quirks
A few superexpresses to Oakville and one to Appleby -- (of all places!)
And the 20min frequency is more like 15-15-30 (3 trains an hour).
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steveintoronto
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Even Canpa detours beside, some of those runs appear to be there purely to pad the figures, and they will not only run at a large loss, but will most likely complicate dispatch by using what is now pad time in the schedules that was flexibly slotted prior, but now must meet a rigid schedule. The runs from Union to Mimico look exactly like that. No conceivable gain, and lots of potential pitfall if a VIA slot is running late, let alone other GO ones.
I'll be surprised if with the present signalling and control system, that the 'level of incompetence' isn't reached with this exercise.
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TOareaFan
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You are aware that a) there is no agreement in place to get any more trains to any stations west of Malton and b) GO trains don’t hold anywhere near 5,000 passengers?
mdrejhon
Senior Member
smallspy, what's your analysis?
I'd like to hear your view on this.
Neutrino
Senior Member
So these "new" midday runs are existing trains split in 2 or full length 12 coach runs?
ssiguy2
Senior Member
Just to mention some Hydrail updates...……….. Britain has announced that ROSCO and the government are developing a new Hydrail trains named HydroFlex to begin testing as early as Summer 2019. You can check it out on the front news page of www.globalrailnews.com
As you will notice, unlike the new German Hydrail system that has just begun regular service, these trains very much look like standard subway/Metro cars as opposed to the German ones which are based on EMU designs.
Ford could build a 200 system with these trains but because they look exactly like subway cars he can claim 'subways, subways, subways' and put his own mark on the system and call it a subway as opposed to using Wynne's RER. The savings of not electrifying the system is enough to buy an entire fleet of these trains and very importantly get them running before the next election.
As you will notice, unlike the new German Hydrail system that has just begun regular service, these trains very much look like standard subway/Metro cars as opposed to the German ones which are based on EMU designs.
Ford could build a 200 system with these trains but because they look exactly like subway cars he can claim 'subways, subways, subways' and put his own mark on the system and call it a subway as opposed to using Wynne's RER. The savings of not electrifying the system is enough to buy an entire fleet of these trains and very importantly get them running before the next election.
steveintoronto
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Some of them at least. But this flies in the face of what we were being told prior, which some of us found not credible, since VIA does it (albeit it might take a few minutes to do the TC prescribed procedure to 'break a train in two' )(loco each end or one in middle) but if this has been possible all this time, then WTF?
On the other hand, I'm seeing a slippery side of Verster that I hadn't before. I can't fully trust what he's saying anymore. I sense what's happened is a very frantic Yakabuski on the phone to Verster: (gist)"You've got to get anything you can on the tracks to show as many runs as possible. Doesn't matter where or when, we need numbers, and fast. Disregard any resistance from your mid-management. Any problems, just fire them".
Verster: "Yes Sir! How high shall I jump Sir!" (I first noticed this with his subway upload comment: (gist) "Easy peasy" It really won't be, anything but...even though I favour the concept in principle)
This must have been drawn on the back of a dirty napkin. And not one from the table either...Don't get me wrong, there's massive potential to do a lot more than what's being done at present with only relatively small additions to the infrastructure. But this has to be ground up driven, not top down. Operations will know a hell of a lot more than top management yes-men.
I bet you Verster is an incredibly unpopular man with the hands-on mid-management right now. And the biggest lie now being mimed? Anne Marie Aikins included..."It won't cost anything to do it". And flying pigs are free....
See: Many Questions About A Subway Takeover
The dealer's playing with a stacked deck...
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steveintoronto
Superstar
It's old news from people akin to Ford. Does the name "Chris Grayling" ring a bell? They're desperate to not spend money to electrify what should be. Frantically desperate...(NAO = National Audit Office...think "line by line audit"...)
Rail electrification plans cancelled purely for cost reasons, says NAO
Here's the real news from the page you link:
New data reveals popularity of metro systems throughout the world
And lo and behold! Toronto isn't on the list, even though technically the SRT is one, or soon to be was one...
ex-Thameslink. Mainline stock, dual voltage. Memories of Snow Hill Tunnel in London...
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TransitBart
Senior Member
It's as bad as the "Harper" government.
Properly put, it should read "The government of Ontario... " ... but that might be for another discussion.
steveintoronto
Superstar
Perhaps, but not as 'RER' as discussed and accepted. To perform the RER task, much greater rates of acceleration, deceleration, boarding and exiting are required, and for that to be done at the rate needed, high level platforms. Something like these (just happened to have this up on my taskbar) https://www.siemens.com/press/pool/...ty/2015-06-uitp/presentation-thameslink-e.pdf
and: https://www.globalrailnews.com/2018...larity-of-metro-systems-throughout-the-world/
Don't get any hopes up over electrification. There's only one way it will happen with this regime: Private Finance.
crs1026
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When you consider that there are what - twenty or so? - trainsets deadheaded after every morning rush to Willowbrook, putting two of them into ‘revenue’ service is extremely small potatoes. No big expense. Not likely many passengers, either.
The big picture question is whether the new regime supports the overall growth in trains per week (1600 to....I forget...) that was promised under Wynne. This announcement is still in the “low hanging fruit” arena, but LSW and LSE are both filling up. We won’t see many more express moves in either corridor without going to four tracks east of Burlington.
btw GO and CN are making some hadware changes to signalling infrastructure in the Oakville-Hamilton area to speed up dispatching. It’s a minor tweak, but the issue was that RTC’s were finding that the signals and switches wouldn’t respond fast enough to keep up with the traffic. That’s one sign that we are getting closer to full capacity as built.
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I'm hoping for that for the entire system